My wife is going to KILL me!!!

[jinjuku]

Lol lol. You guys crack me up. NO. I don't plan on using the Mac with the current speakers. I'm going to be building a room just for my 2 channel system. I am going to be buying speakers for it. This system will take time to build.

I'd love to get a Ferrari but that won't fly. I'm happy with my BMW.

Got drunk yesterday for new years but not drunk enough to buy Wilson speakers.

O and yes, I did remind her of the RING. ;-)

Don't worry about Zumbo. The matching didn't make sense. That is why I postulated in the other post about it being a potential anchor piece. It's not the way I would have gone but I tend to hide my electronics.

Be interested in what you are going to get speaker wise. Just finished listening to my latest classical music purchase on my Statements and have to say get ears on them if you can. You could easily pay someone to knock out the cabinets and x-overs for you.

 

[zildjian]

I'm going to be building a room just for my 2 channel system. I am going to be buying speakers for it. This system will take time to build.

That was my plan, and I too started with buying an amp, my Halcro amp (see classified section...), but now that the twins are coming, it's new nursery time instead of new dedicated stereo time. (And I couldn't be happier!)
Congrats on the Mc. I've had a couple Mc amps but never an integrated. It should serve you well for a long time.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yup, everyone is entitled to his or her opinions.

I would like to know what kind of speakers you are thinking?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Revel Salon2, KEF 207/2, Salk Soundscape, B&W 800 D, Linkwitz Orion, Wilson Audio Sasha, others?

 

[GranteedEV]

Revel Salon2, KEF 207/2, Salk Soundscape, B&W 800 D, Linkwitz Orion, Wilson Audio Sasha, others?

Well i would remove the 800Ds and Sashas

Add this baby

TAD Compact Reference CR1 loudspeaker | Stereophile.com

A Rich man's version of AJ's Monitor 1s O_O

John Atkinson listened to Adele on them

The speaker's output is not time-coincident, but it is time-coherent,

Anyone remember this thread? http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/loudspeakers/70078-green-mountain-audio-europas.html

Uh..oh..

 

[Adam]

TAD Compact Reference CR1 loudspeaker | Stereophile.com

$40k? Those might require more than a couple of beers...

 

[GranteedEV]

$40k? Those might require more than a couple of beers...

You need it, i'll sell it to you, Canadian goods straight outta B.C.

You're going to need to be out of your everyday behaviour...if you want...

Summing up the measured performance of the TAD Compact Reference CR1 is easy: This is textbook behavior!

You can save $3,000 if you just use some concrete blocks instead of TAD Stands

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well i would remove the 800Ds and Sashas

Well now you've just made a few guys sad, and it's even New Years Day.

 

[flyboylr45]

Anybody heard the Anthony Gallo 3.1 ? I'm not paying $15,000 for speakers. The room is on the smaller side so those are wayyy to big.

 

[GranteedEV]

Anybody heard the Anthony Gallo 3.1 ? I'm not paying $15,000 for speakers. The room is on the smaller side so those are wayyy to big.

anyone paying 6500 on amps has no say in the matter. you're paying 15000 on speakers and i don't wanna hear another peep out of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jinjuku]

anyone paying 6500 on amps has no say in the matter. you're paying 15000 on speakers and i don't wanna hear another peep out of you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's an instant classic. Thx Grant. Too funny.

 

[jinjuku]

Anybody heard the Anthony Gallo 3.1 ? I'm not paying $15,000 for speakers. The room is on the smaller side so those are wayyy to big.

Wow, I saw those and didn't think they were that large. You could look at a pair of Zaph Revelator 2.5 way towers and pair them with a Rythmik F12G (or two).

 

[zumbo]

Glad to see the thread stayed positive!

A watt is a watt is a watt.

By all means why don't you take us all to school and backup your rather 'technical' point

Roll call.

Clipped 200 watts @ 1% distortion.

Non-clipped 200 watts @ .005%

These watts, while measured in terms of output, are not created equal.
One amp has ran out of juice.
The other has plenty in the tank.

I find it hard to understand that so many of you Audioholic old-timers have not experienced this first hand.

I have very demanding speakers. Amp was clipping. Treble flattened-out, and then one of the mid-woofers would slap. Added a second amp to employ one for each speaker, and have been amazed. I am able to achieve the same dB, but the extra power on tap allows me to run the amps at a much lower output. Plus, I can push beyond the dB where the clipping would present itself. While my situation is not your average situation, it has enforced my belief in the fact that common sense tells me all power is not created equal.

 

[zumbo]

But then you get the argument of comparing units operating "within their limits."

The point here his BEYOND one of the units limits. Not to run one amp up to 100w, and then run the other up to 100w. Then do a blind test to hear the difference.

Get a SPL meter, and run one up to clipping where the sound flattens-out. Then, take the better rated amp up to that same point. Then, beyond the inferior amps limit.

 

[zumbo]

Now, in terms of two amps being able to operate within the SPEAKERS limits are another story. I would agree with snobbery here.

My point is based on one amp having the ability to drive beyond the limit of the speakers, therefore running way below clipping during high-level SPL operation.

 

[jinjuku]

Glad to see the thread stayed positive!

Roll call.

Clipped 200 watts @ 1% distortion.

Non-clipped 200 watts @ .005%

These watts, while measured in terms of output, are not created equal.
One amp has ran out of juice.
The other has plenty in the tank.

What is 'one amp'? as far as the OP is concerned. His Rotel will do 250 WPC at 8 ohm and double down 500 at 4.

If it's the XPA-2 he has listed as wanting it is 500 WPC at 4 ohms and 300 WPC at 8. The Mac is 250 at 8/4/2.

I find it hard to understand that so many of you Audioholic old-timers have not experienced this first hand.

I have very demanding speakers. Amp was clipping. Treble flattened-out, and then one of the mid-woofers would slap. Added a second amp to employ one for each speaker, and have been amazed. I am able to achieve the same dB, but the extra power on tap allows me to run the amps at a much lower output. Plus, I can push beyond the dB where the clipping would present itself. While my situation is not your average situation, it has enforced my belief in the fact that common sense tells me all power is not created equal.

If you want to talk an 8 watt tube amp or something along those lines I don't mind comparing them first within the 8 watt envelope just to see what is what. After that though having some headroom is nice. And yes a watt is a watt is a watt. It's simply a unit of measurement and no one is talking about putting any amp to the wall.

 

[jinjuku]

But then you get the argument of comparing units operating "within their limits."

The point here his BEYOND one of the units limits. Not to run one amp up to 100w, and then run the other up to 100w. Then do a blind test to hear the difference.

Get a SPL meter, and run one up to clipping where the sound flattens-out. Then, take the better rated amp up to that same point. Then, beyond the inferior amps limit.

I think everything amp wise being spoken of here are pretty darn close output wise. I don't recommend anyone run their amps to clipping.

 

[zumbo]

I think everything amp wise being spoken of here are pretty darn close output wise. I don't recommend anyone run their amps to clipping.

Which is why it's great just to get more than enough power in the first place!

A name plate that commands resale value is also a smart move.

Just another way of looking at things.

The Rotel is not for this system, from what I remember.

Missed the "wanting XPA-2" thing. I know I don't want one. Doesn't mean they are of poor quality, and don't perform well. Just means I am at least one person in this thread that wouldn't be interested in it if the OP decided to pass it on.

I don't understand the continued debates about these things. If someone is looking for cheap quality power, old-school time-tested amps are a dime a dozen. And, most of the time you can get more than you pay for one.

If someone wants to go buy the premium component, and flaunt it, I think it's cool! Super cool!

 

[DrAwesome]

Ugh I'm so jealous. Where are those photos!

 

[cpp]

zumbo

If someone wants to go buy the premium component, and flaunt it, I think it's cool! Super cool

If ya got it, spend it. As you can't take it with you when you die.