Home theater help velodyne,onkyo,bose

[jesussavedjoe]

Hey, I have owned several home theater systems, Onkyo box ,bose 16 ii, Bose 10 iii ran the two bose system in tandem, I am done with bose selling off my 4 bose jewls and 6 lifestyle double cubes with 2 velodyne cht 10s which I ran with my Onkyo tx sr 608 and tx sr 604 creating a 10.2 system. Now I have velodyne spl8 ii and velodyne minveei 8 , 2 cht 10s and I just bought 5 velodyne deco satellites, I am trying to figure out the best multi subwoofer setup,I am thinking sell the cht 10s and run the spl8 ii and minivee,hiding one up front ion the corner and the other in the opposite side againist the back wall. Then I have my Velodyne deco 7 satellites setup in dsx set up. Am I missing something in my system or should I add a second center or rear surrounds.My system is setup in a 14 x 14 room with only 3 walls and the fireplace is on one side wall leaving me with the other side open to the rest of the house. Feel free to ask me any questions,or give suggestions to help improve my home theater system.

 

[zhimbo]

Feel free to ask me any questions.

I have one: Could you just write in a nice, simple, clean list of what you actually have right set up right now, and the configuration? I have no idea what you're actually asking about.

 

[jesussavedjoe]

Want home theater setup help

onkyo tx sr 608 receiver ( I ran both receivers together for a 10.3 setup
onkyo tx sr 604 receiver
minivee 8
velodyne spl ii
2 velodyne cht 10
7 velodyne deco satellites setup in dsx surround setting

I am running the minvee 8 and spl ii for front and rear bass. Are these more midrange subwoofers? and if so? would it help to incorporate my 2 cht 10s?

I am running the 7 velodyne deco satellites in dsx mode for movies.Do I need two larger front speakers and a center?

 

[zhimbo]

onkyo tx sr 608 receiver ( I ran both receivers together for a 10.3 setup
onkyo tx sr 604 receiver
minivee 8
velodyne spl ii
2 velodyne cht 10
7 velodyne deco satellites setup in dsx surround setting

I am running the minvee 8 and spl ii for front and rear bass. Are these more midrange subwoofers? and if so? would it help to incorporate my 2 cht 10s?

I am running the 7 velodyne deco satellites in dsx mode for movies.Do I need two larger front speakers and a center?

Well, I don't know what you *need* to do. All of what you have *might* be OK if you value smallness and only want to fill up a small space... but my personal reactions:

Having mismatched subwoofers generally means you're going to be limited by the output of the weakest subwoofer. Either replace those subwoofers entirely or figure out which ones give the best output.

Sell off some extra subwoofers to finance better front/center speakers. I don't know anything about those satellite speakers, but satellites will pretty much always be lacking, and are probably designed to be used with a "bass unit" that reaches up out of the subwoofer range. They probably don't go down far enough to blend well with subwoofer, and will be limited in output.

 

[GranteedEV]

onkyo tx sr 608 receiver ( I ran both receivers together for a 10.3 setup
onkyo tx sr 604 receiver

Um.. what?

I get the feeling your system is has some serious issues. I've never heard of the function that you're describing to be honest. It may be good to ""downgrade"" from 10.1 to 7.1 off a single processing unit.

minivee 8
velodyne spl ii
2 velodyne cht 10

As Zhimbo said, the mismatched subs are a real issue as well.

I am running the minvee 8 and spl ii for front and rear bass.

There is no such thing as front and rear bass. If you can tell where the bass is coming from, there's a serious integration issue that needs to be corrected.

Are these more midrange subwoofers? and if so? would it help to incorporate my 2 cht 10s?

I'm not sure. To be honest I'd lean towards scrapping the subs altogether and go for three good, large 12" or 15" internet direct subs.

Do I need two larger front speakers and a center?

If you want to reproduce the dynamics of most movie and music setups at lifelike or reference volumes, I do recommend larger speakers, but not just large, GOOD. A center isn't a big deal IMHO. THe L/R mains on the other hand are. Do you have any budget in mind?

 

[jesussavedjoe]

what do you recommend for front LT,RT,C AND SUB

Thank you for your response,I am looking for medium surround sound without a huge price tag.
The Velodyne satellites have 4inch woofers and 1 inch dome tweeters and they sound like they would be good surround speakers.Would they pair well with 2 PSB IMAGE 1B SPEAKERS as front speakers?If not what size woofers and tweeters or horns and speaker manufacture would you recommend for fronts/center?I buy most of my audio equipment on Craigslist.So if you could recommend some speakers sound good and have been out for while would be good for me.

Sorry for all the questions,but its hard to know what a good home theater system should sound like,when you haven't heard one.Not to mention the reviews and marketing are not always true.

Thank you in advance for any advice you can offer.

 

[jesussavedjoe]

Home theater front RT,LT and center recommendations

Yeah I know bass is non directional.I was just trying to fill the room with bass.

How low and high do your surrounds need to go to get good surround sound from them?

How low and high do your fronts and center need to go to provide mid-bass to compliment your surround speakers and sub-woofer?

How low does your subwoofer need to go to fill that low end gap between the fronts and the subwoofer to provide good bass response.




I am on a Craigslist budget.What ever Is good without a high price tag.

 

[GranteedEV]

lookng for medium surround sound

What exactly do you mean by medium? Do you mean cost?

Would they pair well with 2 PSB IMAGE 1B SPEAKERS as front speakers?

Tough to say. Based on the specs, they roll off below 110hz so they might have some issues integrating to a subwoofer correctly. This sounds like a good part of why you said you need "rear and front" subwoofers. If you get surround speakers that can hit the 80hz mark with meaningful output, it can make a big difference in system integration. Placement relative to wall has a big effect too.

If not what size woofers and tweeters or horns and speaker manufacture would you recommend for fronts/center?

Whoa there! Slow down.

Let's consider a few things

-Budget
-Placement
-Amplification


- I recommend front speakers be capable of ~98db peaks at your listening position (105db for a really badass reference system) and extend smoothly below 80hz. So you need to describe the room

- I recommend flat on axis frequency response, smoothly tapering off axis frequency response, and clean, low distortion behaviour.

- I recommend surrounds that can dissapear. I think you only need four surrounds.

- I recommend two or three truly good subwoofers. Combined it should sound like there is no subwoofer, but rather bass eminating from the center of the room.

What kind of aesthetic limitations do you have? Budget? Placement?

Sorry for all the questions,but its hard to know what a good home theater system should sound like,when you haven't heard one.

Think about it. Speakers should sound "like the real thing" (though there's no consensus on whether that real thing should be in your room or you're in the environment of the recording - that's more of a preference thing I suppose). Subs shouldn't really make much sound at all, contrary to popular belief. If you can easily notice when your sub is on, chances are it's setup poorly.

 

[jesussavedjoe]

room size ,speakers I have and used fronts I am looking at

The room size is 15x15 with three walls and 1 large opening .

have
center PSB alpha c
infor on center
Using a pair of 5.25-inch midrange drivers and single .75-inch aluminum dome tweeter in a rear-ported cabinet for increased bass response

velodyne deco satellites Satellites:2 rear surrounds and 2 front high surrounds
infor on surrounds
Cabinet (H/W/D) 8"/5.5"/6"; Drivers: 1" Tweeter, 4" Mid-Woofer, Internal Crossover; Frequency Response: 110 Hz - 20 kHz � 3dB; 4 Ohm Impedance (4/6/8 Ohm Receiver compatible); Sensitivity: 88 dB.

looking at buying fronts
used

2 Infinity Reference 2000.5 Tower Speakers
$150.00 for the pair
info on fronts

Specifications:
* Power handling - 15 to 175 Watts continuous
* Frequency range - 38 to 20,000 Hz
* Sensitivity - 90 db at 1 Watt per meter
* Output Level - Maximum 111dB SPL
* Crossover Frequency - 2.8kHz
* Nominal impedance - 8 Ohms
* Woofer - 6.5" Co-injected
* Tweeter - 1" Neodymium Magnet Soft Dome
* Dimensions - (H)35.5" X (W)7.5" X (D)14.5"
* Weight - 34 lbs

Polk R40
infor on fronts
Driver Complement
Mid/Woofer 2 - 5-1/4" Diameter (13.34cm)
Dynamic Balance® drivers, shielded
Tweeter 1 - 3/4" Diameter (1.91cm)
Silk dome tweeter, shielded
Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 40 Hz - 24kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 50Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 20kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 - 150 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB
Inputs 5-way binding post
Dimensions
Cabinet Size 34-3/4" H x 7" W x 9-3/4" D
(88.27cm H x 17.78cm W x 24.77cm D)
Footprint Size 8-1/2" W x 11" D
(21.59cm W x 27.94cm D)
Enclosure Type Vented

Definitive Technology BP-10 - $325
10 years old

 

[ahblaza]

Hello, get five Infinity primus 163's, three for LCR and two for side surrounds and cross them all @ 80Hz to a pair of Epik Legend subs and you will never look back. Audioholics store for the 163's @ $85 each = $425 and the Legend subs @ $899 for two, or just start with one Legend @$499. I have this setup in a room similar to yours and it really impresses me, the 163 monitors when set up right have a seamless integration with subs and LFE is as Grant said comes from the center and excites the entire room with non localized bass.
Hope this helps, for less than a grand you could have a very satifying home theater experience, you could get the second Legend later if you think you need it.
Jeff

 

[ahblaza]

Grant, you wrote if you want to reproduce the dynamics of most movie and music setups at lifelike or reference volumes, I do recommend larger speakers, but not just large, GOOD. A center isn't a big deal IMHO. Could you please elaborate a little more about the center channel speaker isn't a big deal? I am very sincere with this request and look forward to your opinion on this . Thanks my friend.
Jeff

 

[GranteedEV]

Grant, you wrote "..." Could you please elaborate a little more about the center channel speaker isn't a big deal? I am very sincere with this request and look forward to your opinion on this . Thanks my friend.
Jeff

Well in my experience good speakers' phantom centers can work fine as a phantom center, while saving you a ton of money. I've actually got my own center turned off right now as everything just sounds better that way, subjectively.

The front left/rights in my opinion should be the focus of the budget, followed by two or three good subwoofers

 

[jesussavedjoe]

Thanks for your help bro,my new system

Here's what I have now,and it rocks.Thanks again for the help.

Onkyo TX SR 608 7.1

2 infinity primus 360 towers front
2 infinity primus 160 front wide
2 infinity primus 150 surround
2 subwoofer velodyne minivee 8 and velodyne spl 8

Their was sound missing in between the 150s,so added another receiver and surround channel in back.

Onkyo TX SR 603
2 velodyne deco back surround

Thanks again, Joe

 

[GranteedEV]

i don't know if the onkyo can drive those infinities to their best capabiity. I'd put some thought into adding an emotiva UPA-2 or something

 

[templemaners]

i don't know if the onkyo can drive those infinities to their best capabiity. I'd put some thought into adding an emotiva UPA-2 or something

Not an option with a 608 - no main zone preouts.