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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
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You would use pallet jacks or heavy duty-hand carts to move those around. You are right those are mighty stupid speakers, but if they were giving them away, I wouldn't refuse a free pair!
 
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gpost3

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You are right those are mighty stupid speakers,
Thank you yes they are ..

but if they were giving them away, I wouldn't refuse a free pair!
Oh neither would I if they do a free delivery to my garage . Where I would keep them until they are sold again.:D

Oh and they are 975 lbs each lol not 900. Maybe good for basement or floor made out of concrete.

From the ad: "Retail price $250,000 (without crossover)" - LOL you pay all that but dont get a crossover? I believe it is talking about the passive incline crossover.

I am sorry ... but those speakers are ridiculous. They remind me of my grandma's old super heavy furniture. But one application that I can think of are cruise ships.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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http://www.ebay.ca/itm/WESTLAKE-AUDIO-SM-1VF-Home-Speakers-Retail-260-000-/300535458491?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item45f94f2abb

Apart from the price which is right out outrageous - each speaker weighs .... I am sorry ? 900 lbs? So for all rich people out there, how do you exactly get this inside your living room without breaking people's back?:D
What a silly question! Rich people don't care if the poor suckers who have to move them break their backs.

As for who would want them, I have one question: How do they sound? If the right answer came to that question, I would want them (though I cannot afford them).
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
Who would want them.....obviously someone does or they wouldn't build them. I couldn't afford them either but if I could and they were the best thing I ever heard, I would buy them. And now Fantasy Island is over and we return you to your regular program...........Sanford and son.....:D
 
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gpost3

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Rich people don't care if the poor suckers who have to move them break their backs.
I am not sure if that is necessarily true. There are a lot of rich but very caring people in the world who donate their money for good cause. Do we have a communist here?:D

obviously someone does or they wouldn't build them.
Not sure if this is necessarily true either. Did I mention those speakers have been on sale for 4 years now and no one has bought them? General public isn't stupid enough to do that - it is called being wise and efficient. The speakers weigh over 900 lbs. Even if I had that type of money, practically I still wouldn't want one.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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What a silly question! Rich people don't care if the poor suckers who have to move them break their backs.

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I am not sure if that is necessarily true. There are a lot of rich but very caring people in the world who donate their money for good cause. ...

Of course it isn't necessarily true. It is only generally true. Besides, it was primarily intended as a joke. Though a joke with much truth in it, as most people with the kind of money to buy them would also have the money to hire people to move them (not to mention the fact that most individuals could not move them on their own without the aid of some moving equipment).

As for the other claim you commented on (not quoted in this post, and the original remark was not by me), you are correct that it isn't true, as people make things that they believe someone will buy, and they may be wrong. Probably, though, someone wants them, as they would be a status symbol. But it may be that no one wants them at that price.


Now, if they sounded better than any other speaker ever made, I would want them despite their size and weight, though I would not buy them, as I do not have that much money for speakers.

As things are, I am willing to put up with troublesome speakers for good sound. My main 2 channel system uses Apogee Stage speakers, which are quite a bother to set up and require better than ordinary amplification. Although they weigh far less than the speakers that are the subject of this thread, properly set up, they take up as much space (or more) in one's room, as they should be several feet from the wall behind them (and I am judging the placement requirements of the other speakers by the pictures at the link in the opening post). The amplifier requirements appear to be less with them than my Apogee speakers, due to those being far more sensitive (the impedance issues are similar, however).
 
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mplogic

Audiophyte
Who would want them? Me! I'd definatley like to listen to some $200k+ speakers. Now would I be willing to pay anywhere close to that for them, heck no. Sound would have to fly out of them in the form of hot women and gold bars...
 
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gpost3

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It is only generally true. Besides, it was primarily intended as a joke.
Alright no problem.

Though a joke with much truth in it, as most people with the kind of money to buy them would also have the money to hire people to move them (not to mention the fact that most individuals could not move them on their own without the aid of some moving equipment).
Alright sure point taken.

you are correct that it isn't true
Thank you. So it seems you do agree with me Pyrrho. My personal take on those specific speakers is that even if they give it to me for free, I would only take the delivery till my garage. I couldn't and wouldn't bring it inside my house. Besides I am not sure if my girlfriend would want them in but apart from what my girlfriend might think , I wouldn't want them inside my house as they are clunky, ugly and unnecessarily big to me and for the similar reasons I wouldn't want a skunk as opposed to a cat in my house because they are stinky and don't make good pets but they are both still animals.

Now, if they sounded better than any other speaker ever made
See that's the interesting part because better in sound is so subjective. They might sound better (infact I am sure they do sound better than any speaker out there according to the ebay personal selling it) but you may not like it though :D

I don't know what the manufacturer of those speaker was thinking. Good luck to higher-fi in trying to sell them but no idiot on this earth anyway would buy it. I think they are better off selling them in parts or they could wait another 20 years and still not sell them. Like that video for dominator, bigger isn't necessarily better lol. Common even for cruise ships where they might have an application, I can still think of better and more efficient alternatives like these, these, or these all still less than $5000 and will smoke the vanilla out of those clunkers being sold by higherfi.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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... My personal take on those specific speakers is that even if they give it to me for free, I would only take the delivery till my garage. I couldn't and wouldn't bring it inside my house. Besides I am not sure if my girlfriend would want them in but apart from what my girlfriend might think , I wouldn't want them inside my house as they are clunky, ugly and unnecessarily big to me ...



See that's the interesting part because better in sound is so subjective. They might sound better (infact I am sure they do sound better than any speaker out there according to the ebay personal selling it) but you may not like it though :D

I don't know what the manufacturer of those speaker was thinking. Good luck to higher-fi in trying to sell them but no idiot on this earth anyway would buy it. I think they are better off selling them in parts or they could wait another 20 years and still not sell them. Like that video for dominator, bigger isn't necessarily better lol. Common even for cruise ships where they might have an application, I can still think of better and more efficient alternatives like these, these, or these all still less than $5000 and will smoke the vanilla out of those clunkers being sold by higherfi.
You have judged them to be "clunkers." Do you know what they sound like? If not, how can you say that about them?

Sure, they are not attractive, but beauty and good sound are far from the same thing.

Now, you are right that there is a good deal about the sound that is subjective. But let us pretend (contrary to actual fact), for a moment, that the speakers in question have a frequency response of 10Hz-50kHz +/-1dB, with no more than 0.1% THD from 10Hz-50kHz at any volume up to 130db @ 1 meter, and have smooth dispersion/off axis curves, in accordance with the principles of good performance discussed at:

http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20111002/5276.pdf

http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/20111002/5270.pdf

And let us further suppose that in double blind listening tests, the majority of people subjectively prefer the sound of these speakers to any other speaker.

Now, would you be willing to put up with the looks and size and weight of those speakers if they had the above qualities? I certainly would, though I still would not buy them at the price listed, as I lack the funds for that.

Now, again, this is only pretend, as I have no idea what their performance actually is. But the point is that the looks and size and weight are not the primary considerations for many of us.

In my case, for my main two channel system, I went from these speakers (the Aurum Cantus Leisure 2SE in poplar), which look much better in person than in the picture:


(The picture is the right color, but it is of the inferior "international" version instead of the superior original U.S. version that I have.)

to these speakers:



which do not look better in person than in the picture. I went from a small, gorgeous speaker, that is relatively easy in its placement requirements, easy in its impedance and sensitivity requirements, and that sound extremely good (they are easily the second best sounding speakers I have ever owned), to speakers that are bigger, much less attractive, much more placement sensitive, much more difficult to drive (being 3 ohms nominally), that take up much more space than their size indicates (as they should be placed several feet from the rear wall). Not only are the Apogees far less attractive than the Aurum Cantus speakers, they require prominent placement in a room to sound right, so one gets the full impact of how much less attractive they are. I did that because they sound better. I would be willing to go to even more inconvenient speakers for better sound.

Obviously, there are limits, as they must physically fit inside my home and it must be possible for me to also afford an amplifier that can adequately drive them. But I have speakers for the sound they make, not as decorations in my room.

My wife tolerates the looks of the Apogee speakers because they sound better. But she misses the looks of the Aurum Cantus speakers very much, and frankly, so do I. She would be willing to put up with their merely excellent sound for their gorgeous appearance and have them instead of the superior sounding Apogee speakers that are far less attractive, but I want superior sound more than I want beautiful speakers.

For my home theater, where I require smaller speakers than the Apogees, I still use the Aurum Cantus speakers, and have no intention of upgrading them. There, however, I have dealt with the bass limitations (-3dB point of 50Hz for the U.S. version of the speakers) by using two SVS CS-Ultra subwoofers, so the sound is better than just a pair of the Leisure 2SEm for a two channel system. And, of course, the bass goes deeper than with my two channel system with the Apogee speakers, so neither system is better in every way.

Aside from the crazy price for the Westlake speakers that most people cannot afford, no matter how good they are, for many of us, the main thing is how they sound. If for you it is more important to have an attractive and easy to live with speaker than a speaker that sounds great, your choice of what speaker to have is likely to be far different from someone whose primary concern is sound quality. On the other hand, you could go with some Aurum Cantus speakers that sound great and are absolutely gorgeous; someone wanting both good sound and good looks might well settle on them. But better sound is possible, if one is willing to give up on looks and ease of use.
 
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gpost3

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I can see your point but you haven't done a good job in reading what I said either and have twisted my argument and taken it to every bit of extremism and that is very clear to see given the two speakers you are showing - one is very glamorous and the other is the exact opposite. There is some subtle level of common sense in interpreting what I said ofcourse I don't mean aesthetics is everything and I don't recall saying that anywhere. Those Westlake according to me and your wife as well , are still clunkers because I know they will sound rubbish and overwhelming in my room due to the sciences behind sound and basic facts that we do know today such as their reaction to the physical acoustics of the room mainly because of their size being too big. Sure you dont have to care about aesthetics but go too far and that's what you end up with (the speakers you have sorry m8) and start giving people two choices in extreme context like you have done already - one that is very ugly and the other extremely glamorous . Most Canadians atleast are people of middle grounds. There is a better balance between the two extremes you mentioned for example the excellent Adams A7X I auditioned and compared to speakers 10x the size and 10x the cost and still found them to be sonically better. Now none of this means that you should feel guilty about what you have - as I said we are not communists here. If you like your big speakers, then sure keep them but I wouldn't want that nor the Westlake even if I had the money because there are just better alternatives out there.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

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... I know they will sound rubbish and overwhelming in my room [emphasis added] due to the sciences behind sound and basic facts that we do know today such as their reaction to the physical acoustics of the room mainly because of their size being too big. Sure you dont have to care about aesthetics but go too far and that's what you end up with (the speakers you have which your poor wife has to keep up with). I am sorry but your speakers do still remind me of that dominator x1 video lol. If it was me, I would take some high quality studio monitors with room acoustic adjustment and tonal balancing control like the Adams A7X over the ones you have in a hitch. They are professionally constructed and calibrated and will sound better I just know it [emphasis added]. There are good reasons why they are used by people who make the recording that you listen to using your choice of speakers.
You are writing a good deal of nonsense, as you could not possibly know what the speakers sound like that you have never heard and also know nothing about their performance measurements.


A big speaker does not automatically sound bad; it is a preposterous idea. Indeed, in order to have deep bass with reasonable sensitivity, a large speaker is necessary.

As for why professional monitors are what they are, many of the same sorts of considerations matter to professionals as to users, as most recording studios could not afford speakers that cost as much as a house, and they also often have limited space in which to place the speakers. So they often use speakers that sacrifice the deepest bass, just as home users often do, because their budget and space typically do not allow for truly full range speakers.

I strongly advise you to go to a dealer with some expensive speakers (not as expensive as the Westlake speakers which prompted this thread), preferably one that has a wide range of types of speakers (e.g., horns, domes, ribbons, whatever). I recommend looking for your local Magnepan dealer and listening to some acoustic music (i.e., not electronic rock, but classical or jazz or some other music that one would normally be able to hear live without electricity), and judge how they sound compared with more conventional designs.
 
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bikdav

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Be careful what you say. There is a market for such speakers. I'd like to hear these Westlakes, because I'll be honest, any monster speakers that I've heard have been very impressive sonically _ no subwoofer necessary. If I had the room and the money and if these were fine candidates sonically, they would probably be on my list of possibilities.
 
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ican

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oh wow never knew speakers could be that heavy. This thread may be better posted as a poll see what people think.

You are right those are mighty stupid speakers
+1
 
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