A noob who needs lots of advice. 2k build with reciever.

[omnisplash]

So, I am new here, nice to meet you all.

I am a huge music fan, I have almost 1,400 digital non pirated albums. I have wanted to buy a nice sound system for my home to listen to my flac files on for a long time. I have never bought a nice sound system. I have done some research but I feel like there is soooo much knowledge it is sensory over load. I was going to buy a Home theater in a box kit but even the higher end Onkyo systems I was like eh when I heard them. SO I decided I wanted to build my own system.

I love the look of tower speakers but does not have to consist of them, I would want black and I have about 2k to spend including receiver. I want something so loud it will shake my soul and stop my neighbors pace maker.
I plan to use this for music and for home theater for my Sony but primarily music.

I was wondering if some of you folks would like to set up a build with a limit of about $2,000 for me With suggestions on why I should go with something over another thing etc links are awesome.
Thanks in Advance look forward to seeing what I should buy!!

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Speakers:http://philharmonicaudio.com/philharmonic1.html
AVR: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6004/Marantz-SR6004-110w-X-7ch-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html

 

[omnisplash]

those tower speakers are um hideous lol. are they worth the look?


That receiver plays audio files between devices with Bluetooth !!! that is amazing my comp rig is Bluetooth enabled !! I'm in love!

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

those tower speakers are um hideous lol. are they worth the look?


That receiver plays audio files between devices with Bluetooth !!! that is amazing my comp rig is Bluetooth enabled !! I'm in love!

Beauty of this speakers are in the eye of the beholder, but this graph is gorgeous:

I didn't suggested this AVR for BT support, but extremely solid execution of all pieces and as result it measures better than some dedicated pre-pros.

 

[GranteedEV]

how loud?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWznxY4CmI4

 

[omnisplash]

Haha that would be AMAZING !!! That was an incredible video.


I guess the best 2k will buy me, in terms of loudness, quality and I do listen to a lot of rock/and hip hop I like to have the bass where I can feel it in my body one day and some other days, hear every note. 110DB ? lol

 

[omnisplash]

Beauty of this speakers are in the eye of the beholder, but this graph is gorgeous:


I didn't suggested this AVR for BT support, but extremely solid execution of all pieces and as result it measures better than some dedicated pre-pros.

I agree with your points for sure, To be honest other then black I am not worried about aesthetics, from the small amount of what I do know that chart is impressive, wouldn't I need other speakers though then just those 2 to have a full range of sound?

 

[GranteedEV]

Haha that would be AMAZING !!! That was an incredible video.


I guess the best 2k will buy me, in terms of loudness, quality and I do listen to a lot of rock/and hip hop I like to have the bass where I can feel it in my body one day and some other days, hear every note. 110DB ? lol

The thing to note, is that heavy metal / electronik can kill tweeters. If you're listening to music that's only loud in the bass, that's a bit different from music that is loud in the tweeter ranges.

Personally, i'm running a pair of EMP e55ti speakers:

http://www.emptek.com/e55ti.php

crossed over to a subwoofer, they can play pretty loud with something like hip-hop where most of the dynamic range is in the bass rather than the highs. They don't ooze with ""extra"" obnoxious bass, but they can play what's on the recording very well, especially if you get them closer to a wall (or EQ below 700hz to compensate like I do). Pair them with a quality subwoofer to get the deep stuff. The HSU VTF-15 in its 15hz tuning mode might do the job for now, although eventually i recommend upgrading to multiple subwoofers for a much cleaner bass response.

For amplifiers, I have played the e55tis very loud with the 100wpc Marantz SR6003 (which is a year older version of the SR6004 recommended already in this thread) although i am currently driving them off an outbound amp to maximize headroom. For that I recommend eventually (not immediately as the improvement is NOT worth it) picking up something like a Crown XLS 1000.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Ya know what - I'll give you 2 suggestion for the hell of it and it really piss off neighbors - I mean BIG TIME - Same AVR, Pair of Infinity P363 (200/ea) and a Rythmic FV15HP sub or a pair of HSU VTF-2 MK 3 subs

 

[omnisplash]

The thing to note, is that heavy metal / electronik can kill tweeters. If you're listening to music that's only loud in the bass, that's a bit different from music that is loud in the tweeter ranges.

Personally, i'm running a pair of EMP e55ti speakers:



crossed over to a subwoofer, they can play pretty loud with something like hip-hop where most of the dynamic range is in the bass rather than the highs. They don't ooze with ""extra"" obnoxious bass, but they can play what's on the recording very well, especially if you get them closer to a wall (or EQ below 700hz to compensate like I do). Pair them with a quality subwoofer to get the deep stuff. The HSU VTF-15 in its 15hz tuning mode might do the job for now, although eventually i recommend upgrading to multiple subwoofers for a much cleaner bass response.

For amplifiers, I have played the e55tis very loud with the 100wpc Marantz SR6003 (which is a year older version of the SR6004 recommended already in this thread) although i am currently driving them off an outbound amp to maximize headroom. For that I recommend eventually (not immediately as the improvement is NOT worth it) picking up something like a Crown XLS 1000.

I love those tower speakers mine would be backed against a wall, are multiple subs the way to go? Also for that surround sound feeling would I need tweeters?

Ya know what - I'll give you 2 suggestion for the hell of it and it really piss off neighbors - I mean BIG TIME - Same AVR, Pair of Infinity P363 (200/ea) and a Rythmic FV15HP sub or a pair of HSU VTF-2 MK 3 subs

Haha I like your style!! How good are those P363's at 200 each? Like bang for the buck

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

P363 are great value and very good speaker, only thing better were Infinity Classia C336BK for $240/ea but they didn't last long . I was able to convince a colleague to get them at this price - he is very happy

 

[sholling]

The Infinity P363 solution is a great idea. Great bang for the buck. Assuming a mid-sized room (< 3000cuft) another solution that I really like is one based on three Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE bookshelves and a pair of their HTM-200SE for about $1050. Add a Rythimk FV12 subwoofer ($500) and a factory re-certified Onkyo TX-NT708 ($390) and you're just under $2000 plus shipping.

For flac playback I use a WDTV Live ($90) in my bedroom system but there are newer more capable systems on the market that I haven't checked out yet. The WD uses your TV for it's display and the interface is so clean and WAF friendly that navigating your files is as easy as using cable TV.

 

[shadyJ]

If you are interested in a seriously loud yet clean and crisp sound, here is a two channel system I'll recommend:
Klipsch RB-61 II, horn-loaded compression driver tweeters: your ears will break long before the speaker does.
Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus subwoofer x 2. Use them as speaker stands or endtables for your listening seat.
Harman/Kardon 3490 stereo receiver, powerful stereo receiver that is comfortable with low ohm dips. Also has digital connectivity.

That system would blaze. The other systems recommended here would do very will too, but they won't reach the distortion free SPLs that the Klipsch speakers and dual Outlaw subs can achieve. Still they will all probably be more than enough for you. For five channel, I would go with the Primus speakers, especially the P363 and c350 center, with an Onkyo receiver and a Hsu VTF3, Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, or SVS PB12 NSD subwoofer.

 

[jonnythan]

How loud can those P363s go before they start to massively distort and lose range? What about the Philharmonics? The Philharmonic 1 is razor flat at 80 dB. What about 100?

It seems that a high-sensitivity horn-loaded design would be a lot more appropriate for the OP. A pair of the eD Cinema 12's and a quality high-power receiver would seem like the better option.

 

[omnisplash]

I am really liking all the opinions and suggestions everyone is putting for me, I am taking my time and researching what you guys and gals are suggesting. Thanks once again to everyone.


I also researched the AVR http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6004/Marantz-SR6004-110w-X-7ch-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html more and it seems like A LOT of people are having issues with them... so I am kinda scared off to it,

I keep hearing Onkyo AVR's but not speakers is this true?

How loud can those P363s go before they start to massively distort and lose range? What about the Philharmonics? The Philharmonic 1 is razor flat at 80 dB. What about 100?

It seems that a high-sensitivity horn-loaded design would be a lot more appropriate for the OP. A pair of the eD Cinema 12's and a quality high-power receiver would seem like the better option.

I was really interested in the p363"s but I am also really interested in the ED Cinema 12's too, suggestions?

 

[jonnythan]

I haven't heard either, but there's no question the eD Cinema 12's will play significantly louder than the P363s or even the RB-61s. The eD speakers are similar in design to the kind of PA speakers that a DJ would use to play at a club, but they're quite a bit more refined.

Whether they'll sound better, who knows. That'll be very subjective. The Infinity Primus speakers have been getting a lot of rave reviews. They seem like very good overall speakers - good at everything. But for loud music and home theater, a horn-loaded design seems a lot more appropriate to me. Will depend a lot on the music you're listening to as well. Diana Krall and Marcus Strickland might sound better on a more neutral speaker like the Philharmonic, but I bet I'd enjoy listening to AC/DC and Pink with the volume cranked on the eD a lot more. Also keep in mind that actual theaters use horn-loaded compression drivers and large woofers.

Personally, if I were to build a dedicated theater right now, I'd put up an acoustically transparent screen with three of the eD Cinema 12's behind it.

 

[omnisplash]

I haven't heard either, but there's no question the eD Cinema 12's will play significantly louder than the P363s or even the RB-61s. The eD speakers are similar in design to the kind of PA speakers that a DJ would use to play at a club, but they're quite a bit more refined.

Whether they'll sound better, who knows. That'll be very subjective. The Infinity Primus speakers have been getting a lot of rave reviews. They seem like very good overall speakers - good at everything. But for loud music and home theater, a horn-loaded design seems a lot more appropriate to me. Will depend a lot on the music you're listening to as well. Diana Krall and Marcus Strickland might sound better on a more neutral speaker like the Philharmonic, but I bet I'd enjoy listening to AC/DC and Pink with the volume cranked on the eD a lot more. Also keep in mind that actual theaters use horn-loaded compression drivers and large woofers.

Personally, if I were to build a dedicated theater right now, I'd put up an acoustically transparent screen with three of the eD Cinema 12's behind it.

I listen to bands like the Zeppelin (of course ), to Atreyu, to The Muse to DubStep, hip hop artists like Atmosphere and Diabolic.

If I did the Cinema's would I need an amp and what type of AVR?

 

[jonnythan]

Well the more clean power you can push to them, the better they'll sound at volume. It's really hard to say whether you'll need an external amp or not. If you do get the eD speakers you will have the advantage of very high sensitivity, so they will require less power to drive to a certain volume level compared to another speaker.

Your best bet is probably to get a good receiver with preouts and a good amp section and see if it makes you happy. The Yamaha A800 and Onkyo 708/709 are examples. If it doesn't, toss in an external amp. An Emotiva XPA-3 or Behringer Ep2500 or similar would provide enough power to those speakers to cleanly drive them to dangerous levels.

 

[omnisplash]

This may be a really noob question, if I ran 2 subs, wouldn't I need an AVR with 2 sub hook ups ?


Lets say I got this
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-A800-7-1-Channel-Audio-Receiver/dp/B003XDU498

How would I hook them up ?


right now I am thinking this

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_141&products_id=1006 x2

http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_141&products_id=1009 x1

then an AVR

Would I need subs with this set up ?

I can build a pc from the ground up, work on cars, but audio FML!

 

[shadyJ]

Use a Y-splitter in the sub-out jack of the receiver to hook up two subs.

If you go with the ED speakers, you will blow your entire budget on speakers and receiver, and you will be left with no bass. I don't think it would sound very good. If you intend to buy a sub later, that is alright, but you will need a hell of a sub to keep up with those mains. It won't be cheap, or small, or light-weight. You would want a pair or ED A7-350s, or Hsu VTF15hs, or SVS PB12 Pluses, or something like that. In the end though, you would have something that absolutely pounds. However I think you might regret it because you would never even use half the system's capability. And if you actually did use half the system's capability, it wouldn't be long before you suffered permanent hearing damage.