Looking for best quality recording of Beethoven symphonies 1-9

Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
On the top Amazon review of the SACD version of that recording, the reviewer writes that, "There is still noticeable hiss, but it is overshadowed by the enhanced vibrancy of the sound."

Might be a place to start looking.
 
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bikemig

Audioholic Chief
I've been enjoying Bernard Haitink and the London Symphony Orchestra's rendition of Beethoven's symphony but it's not cheap at $57 for SACD, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GUJYRE/ref=dm_dp_cdp?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1310760878&sr=8-1. I've been listening to it through a Society of Sound Subscription which is a pretty good deal if you like classical, http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Society_of_Sound/Society_of_Sound/Music. Not all of Beethoven's symphonies are currently available through SOS though (currently you can download in Redbook or his res three of Beethoven's symphonies but there is plenty of other classical music as well as world music picked out by Peter Gabriel).
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I got Haitink's CD 6 set, it's much better quality - still very light hiss, but barely noticable next to Karajan's 1963 recording

Thanks guys
 
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budapest

Audiophyte
Another performance of the 7th by Ivan Fischer and the Budapest Festival Orchestra. Not only the performance is outstanding (although I might be a little biased as a hungarian), but it was recorded SACD. I don't know if it's on youtube, but on the record label's (channel classics') site one can listen into it.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Other than considering Adam's suggestion above about the SACD version, which still has some hiss (as removing all of the hiss would involve removing some of the music), since you like Herbert von Karajan, I recommend you buy his 1980's recordings which are DDD:

http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Symphonies-Overtures-~-Karajan/dp/B000001GKP

Or you can buy them remastered; here is one of the discs:

http://www.amazon.com/Beethoven-Symphony-No-~-Karajan/dp/B000001GJR/

If you like Karajan, you have many choices with Beethoven symphonies, as he recorded the complete cycle four times and recorded some of the individual symphonies more than that. His first go was with the Philharmonia Orchestra, in the 1950's, mostly in mono. It has been released in at least 2 versions on CD (being remastered). He then rerecorded the symphonies in the early 1960's with the Berlin Philharmonic, in stereo. That one has been released in at least three different masterings. He rerecorded them all yet again in the 1970's. And then again in the 1980's in digital. Herbert von Karajan was always looking to improvements in recording technology.

Now, generally, people say that, overall, the early 1960's recordings are the best performances (though not the best of every symphony).

I own at least some of three of his cycles, and have heard some from the other one, and I personally think that the differences in the performances, though real (as no one ever plays such a thing exactly the same twice), are generally exaggerated. I think if you really like one of the performances, you are likely to like the others also.

I think that the remastered versions have slightly better sound than the original DDD release, but the general absence of hiss is pretty similar.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
One thing to keep in mind when dealing with "classic" recordings is the time in which they were made. HVK's heyday was in the 50's and 60's and the recordings were limited to what was available at the time.

Likewise, RCA's Living Stereo (Reiner) series is lauded as some of the best renditions available* but even though they used SOTA equipment and techniques of the time, that was basically in the 50's. Remember, SOTA was tape recorders and records.

In fact, virtually all of the "old " (Szell, Haitink, Walter) stem from this era so any recordings you find may have some blemishes that plagues all recordings of the era.

Now, I'm sure you can find "technically" better recordings, in the pure mechanical nuts and bolts sense, but the artistry in the performance may or may not equal what some of the old masters could muster.

Sometimes it boils down to a choice between music or sound. I like roots rock, rockabilly, and western swing AND I also like great sound so I have to make a choice: Do I listen to the music I like, which sometimes sounds like it was recoreded in a garage with one mic (not far from the truth), or do I want a SOTA recording of music of I'm not overly fond.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
One thing to keep in mind when dealing with "classic" recordings is the time in which they were made. HVK's heyday was in the 50's and 60's and the recordings were limited to what was available at the time.

Likewise, RCA's Living Stereo (Reiner) series is lauded as some of the best renditions available* but even though they used SOTA equipment and techniques of the time, that was basically in the 50's. Remember, SOTA was tape recorders and records.

In fact, virtually all of the "old " (Szell, Haitink, Walter) stem from this era so any recordings you find may have some blemishes that plagues all recordings of the era.

Now, I'm sure you can find "technically" better recordings, in the pure mechanical nuts and bolts sense, but the artistry in the performance may or may not equal what some of the old masters could muster.

Sometimes it boils down to a choice between music or sound. I like roots rock, rockabilly, and western swing AND I also like great sound so I have to make a choice: Do I listen to the music I like, which sometimes sounds like it was recoreded in a garage with one mic (not far from the truth), or do I want a SOTA recording of music of I'm not overly fond.
That is always a problem. I find that if I do not wish to play the music very loud, the hiss from good recordings from fairly early 1950's and later does not bother me too much. But with things like Beethoven symphonies, the desire to play them fairly loud is strong.

And you are right that the Living Stereo series has quite a few great performances.


It gets really bad if you like people like Caruso and early Louis Armstrong recordings. I have found the Naxos release of Caruso acceptable (probably as good as one will ever hear them) and the JSP release of Louis Armstrong with the Hot Fives and Hot Sevens acceptable (probably as good as one will ever hear them). But there is substantial noise; they are mono 78 RPM record quality.

(On the plus side with those very early recordings, they were not able to artificially compress the dynamic range, so the performers simply played in such a way that they did not exceed the dynamic capabilities of the medium, and so there is no unnatural sounding compression on them. If only they chose to do that with all modern recordings of things...)

With Herbert von Karajan, although I agree that, overall, the performances of the Beethoven symphonies in the 1960's are better than the others, they are not that much better. If one really dislikes hiss, the 1980's recordings are the ones to get.


On the other hand, there are great modern musicians. I have never been displeased with a performance by Jeanne Lamon and Taffelmusik. That, by the way, is the best performance I have ever heard of the Brandenburgs, and there is plenty of competition for playing them, so one must be extraordinary to play them the best. But they have not recorded all of the Beethoven symphonies, and I am not at all sure that they would be ideal for them. But they are not limited to Bach, and are great with Handel as well.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I would recommend the Vanska set from Minneapolis.

Superb SACD sound. The performances are first class.

On my rig in SACD, it is very very close to being in Orchestra Hall. Just a wonderful set. I enjoy it more and more.
 

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