Entry level JVC DLA-RS45U projector scoop...

[jzac]

So, what's the scoop on this projector? It looks like a good competitor to the new current breed from Epson or Panasonic in the same league, does it? I'm sure they will have better blacks than the others....guessing.

http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?model_id=MDL102125

I'm waiting for the November end sale to see what luck I will have on the price since they are just launching. Any of you seen this PJ demo or speculate on how this will be compared to the others in the same field??

Why can't these bozos come out with more 2D PJs instead of 3D knowing that the format is still to be justitified in cost and viewing pleasure....darn marketers!! ....

Thx.

 

[BMXTRIX]

jzac - No offense (which means I'm about to offend you) - but don't be an idiot.

3D doesn't cost more for manufacturers to incorporate into projectors. The majority of TVs being sold today I believe are 3D capable.

Not that 3D isn't despised by many, but you have to understand that you can't put 3D up as a scapegoat for a product to make it so you don't like it. That is, the JVC projector is going to cost more because it is a JVC projector. They have ALWAYS cost more than Epson or Optoma 1080p models.

For JVC to compete with others, they have to put out a top shelf product, which means that you get a 120hz or a 240hz projector.

Once you ahve a 120hz or 240hz projector, then you need a processing chip that can handle those speeds.

Once you are buying 100,000 processing chips for $20 a piece, it makes sense to get the ones whcih also handle 3D, because those processing chips costs $20 and ten cents.

Now, you get to include 3D at no additional cost, and you can sell people 3D kits, and 3D glasses, and put 3D on everything.

Yeah, there is marketing there and if you aren't into 3D, then it may not appeal to you, but don't think for a second that 3D is somehow making the projector worse, or taking away from the quality of the product.

This year I setup the JVC RS50 projector for the first time. Not a 3D setup, but a 2D setup.

Out of the box it was simply the absolute best looking image I have ever seen from a projector. Period.

Important to remember that the inclusion of 3D doesn't affect cost, has nothing to do with viewing pleasure, or justification. It has everything to do with profitability over the long term, which includes selling to people who just maybe want 3D at some point in the future, while not taking anything at all away from the quality of your product line, but adding to it overall.

The RS45 has a MSRP of $3,495. I am guessing I will be selling it around $2,999 and that may be a pretty common price on the Internet.

For how popular Pansonic and Epson projectors are, and their 3D coming in around the same price, I would take the JVC pretty much any day of the week over those two brands. Especially considering the very high reliability I tend to associate with JVC projectors.

 

[jzac]

jzac - No offense (which means I'm about to offend you) - but don't be an idiot.

3D doesn't cost more for manufacturers to incorporate into projectors. The majority of TVs being sold today I believe are 3D capable.

Not that 3D isn't despised by many, but you have to understand that you can't put 3D up as a scapegoat for a product to make it so you don't like it. That is, the JVC projector is going to cost more because it is a JVC projector. They have ALWAYS cost more than Epson or Optoma 1080p models.

For JVC to compete with others, they have to put out a top shelf product, which means that you get a 120hz or a 240hz projector.

Once you ahve a 120hz or 240hz projector, then you need a processing chip that can handle those speeds.

Once you are buying 100,000 processing chips for $20 a piece, it makes sense to get the ones whcih also handle 3D, because those processing chips costs $20 and ten cents.

Now, you get to include 3D at no additional cost, and you can sell people 3D kits, and 3D glasses, and put 3D on everything.

Yeah, there is marketing there and if you aren't into 3D, then it may not appeal to you, but don't think for a second that 3D is somehow making the projector worse, or taking away from the quality of the product.

This year I setup the JVC RS50 projector for the first time. Not a 3D setup, but a 2D setup.

Out of the box it was simply the absolute best looking image I have ever seen from a projector. Period.

Important to remember that the inclusion of 3D doesn't affect cost, has nothing to do with viewing pleasure, or justification. It has everything to do with profitability over the long term, which includes selling to people who just maybe want 3D at some point in the future, while not taking anything at all away from the quality of your product line, but adding to it overall.

The RS45 has a MSRP of $3,495. I am guessing I will be selling it around $2,999 and that may be a pretty common price on the Internet.

For how popular Pansonic and Epson projectors are, and their 3D coming in around the same price, I would take the JVC pretty much any day of the week over those two brands. Especially considering the very high reliability I tend to associate with JVC projectors.

BMX....no offense taken....it's been a while since anyone called me that anyways. Thanks for the details. I understand that 3D projectors does not make the 2D any worse or better. No argument there. I also understand that 3D tech is getting cheaper and does not cost much which is why prices are as reasonable as they are with a few models, but manufacturers are using that 3D name as a reason to jack up the price to boost the profit margin. That's how they survive and understandable. I don't hate 3D, but I certainly don't think today's 3D TV out in the market like the ones I have seen really does 3D as good as what you see in the 3D theaters. Whatcha' think? I didn't want to own a 3D PJ either if there was not a significant improvement in the 2D viewing and paying 3D prices if the difference was steep. This JVC one looks at par in pricing and I would pay a premium for the reasons you mentioned. I think my quest was more about the difference in quality from this model stacked up vs the others and I think you pretty much justified that saying you prefer JVC to other manufacturers any day. I agree.
Has anyone seen this model in demo? Curious to know what they know about this model besides the specs. I didn't find many hits on this besides speculation.

I'm assuming your JVC RS50 does not have the CIH feature and you probably don't even care about it. I have always wanted to get my hands on a JVC projector that does have CIH and this baby looks like the one to think about with some more feedback....and the street price maybe worth the move.

Thx.

 

[BMXTRIX]

I think the JVC is taking a clear stab at the forthcoming Epson and Panasonic projectors with this model, most notably the Panasonic which has a long reputation for a high quality product.

I did not use the RS50 in a CIH setup, and I'm not really a fan of CIH unless it is done right, which is pricey once an anamorphic lens is in the mix. The 'zoom' method of CIH is just not what I'm after.

I'm really hoping for a native 2.35 projector myself at some point as my next projector. But, if I get extremely lucky with cash, then this model would likely be the one I would go to.

The big thing with 3D and JVC is that JVC has lowered the price on their projectors every year, while maintaining or increasing quality. So, this years RS45 is almost the same price last last years RS250. Not quite, but close. And you get the jump from 60hz to 120hz along with improved overall performance.

Still, 3D definitely had a premium associated with it, but not nearly as much as some people tried to make it out to be. The bigger issue is that 3D only can appear on TVs which support at least 120hz, which already puts them into more expensive models. So, it had to be the nice projector which would even support 3D.

LCD had the issue of not supporting anything 3D last year, so this is all a big jump for Epson putting out their 3D LCD panels. JVC is now 2nd generation on their product, and I think they will be very interesting to see.

I'm extremely happy with the 3D from my 64" plasma display.

 

[theaternovice]

Need Guidance-Projectors JVCRS45U vs Sony HW30AES

I am so confused as just about to purchase a new projector for my newly built theater room. I have done too much reading and no one clearly says which one is better than the other. I have been looking at the JVC RS45U versus Sony HW30AES. They are in the same price range. I need your kind help and guidance on which one to chose between the two. What are the differences? Can you say one is clearly better than the other. My mind was made up for sure on the JVC RS45U. Then, someone played with my mind on the Sony HW30AES. Please help. Thank you in advance for your kind assistance.

 

[BMXTRIX]

I think they are both very comparible to each other. You have to keep in mind that it is extremely difficult to know that the Epson 8350 is not as good as the JVC RS60 unless you really know what you are looking at and have experience looking at projectors.

The JVC and Sony are both very good projectors which use similar LCoS technology to produce the image. I think Sony is a bit more of a corporate behemouth which can lead to some potential warranty headaches. I would also recommend that you check the price of replacement lamps as sometimes Sony can be higher than JVC.

Either way, you aren't looking at a bad projector - you are looking at very good projectors. If one is slightly better than the other, it would be hard to know without them side by side and finding/nitpicking those differences.

I personally would pick the JVC over the Sony just for the sheer reliability that I find to be associated with JVC projectors.

 

[jzac]

Finally...

I'll be getting my hands on it on Monday after waiting for 3 freakin' LONG months. There is a lot of conversations around this model in the AV Science forum if you are curious....some folks got it earlier and have been putting it through the paces. Most of the comments have put it above bar with some negative as well. Mind you, the comments are subjective...so take it with a grain of salt. Do your own tests and figure out for yourself. I got it for $2.5 as pre-launch price...ain't too bad. Hope it does well....

Cheers.

 

[BMXTRIX]

$2,500 is a really good price. It looks like about my best pricing on this is giong to be about $2,800. I'm sure this will be a stunning projector this year. It deserves to be.