GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
PMC IB2 XBDS-A



It uses a shallow tweeter waveguide, and I'm lovin the flat diaphram 10" woofers :)
 
Bizarro_Stormy

Bizarro_Stormy

Audioholics Whac-A-Mole'er™
They look quite spiffy...

I had a pair of Technics in the mid-80's that had flat "honeycomb" drivers...

Similar to this...

514450-technics_sbx500a_honeycomb_disc_speakers.jpg


Honeycomb drivers were big...
yeah yeah yeah...
They weren't small...
no no no...


But they didn't taste very good... :(
 
gene

gene

Audioholics Master Chief
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They look quite spiffy...

I had a pair of Technics in the mid-80's that had flat "honeycomb" drivers...

Similar to this...




Honeycomb drivers were big...
yeah yeah yeah...
They weren't small...
no no no...


But they didn't taste very good... :(
LOL OMG I remember those speakers. I never got to hear them but as a kid I lusted for them. Seeing how I didn't have any money back then, I had to settle for the cereal instead ;(
 
Bizarro_Stormy

Bizarro_Stormy

Audioholics Whac-A-Mole'er™
Burp...

LOL OMG I remember those speakers. I never got to hear them but as a kid I lusted for them. Seeing how I didn't have any money back then, I had to settle for the cereal instead ;(
yep...
I found the cereal's highs and lows to be rather subpar in comparison...

Yet, in crunchy sweetness, it won hands down...
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Would imaging be thrown off by the non mirrored placement of the mid and treble drivers? :confused:
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Would imaging be thrown off by the non mirrored placement of the mid and treble drivers? :confused:
They are made in mirror image pairs. They are active speakers, and power is 4000 watts per pair.

 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
I agree. Those measurements are bad no matter which way you slice it.
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
The monitor's in that series I believe have a msrp of ~$2800.00 cdn when I last visted my local dealer....just not sure if it was the DB1i or TB2i on display. And...NO...I didn't audtion them but judging from those graphs I didn't miss much...:eek:.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Okay, now I realize not all the PMC speakers are the same, but looking at this one PMC speaker measurement, I'm not very impressed with these $2,250 PMC GB1:

@ 150Hz, it's down like -12dB???

And from ~ 1.5-4kHz, it's down ~ -4dB??

http://www.soundstagemagazine.com/measurements/pmc_gb1/
You can't measure a TL with one mic placed like that. There is too much output from the port. You have to mic the port output separately and sum it with the woofer response.

That is a very small TL and it is not properly damped by the look of the impedance curve. I suspect this was done to increase bass output from the small driver.

Unlike a reflex enclosure, the pipe will assist the driver over 1.5 to two octaves. I suspect at the mic position there was cancellation between driver and port at the mic position.

As far as the 2 to 4 kHz smiley, I guess that is because Peter Thomas is an ex BBC engineer.

The BBC have long maintained that a slight 2 to 3 db droop centered on 3 kHz is desirable for a more spacious sound stage.

I agree to an extent, but I don't deviate much from flat. I will tell you one thing, even a tiny excess in output in that range, makes for a terrible speaker. So I never allow any excess in energy in that region. If I have to choose I always come down on the side of a dip, never a peak, not even a small one of a half db.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Here is another example of PMC, the DB1i:



+5dB @ 150Hz, -7dB @ 200Hz, -4dB @ 1.5kHz, +4dB @ 10kHz, +6dB @ 15kHz.

Again, it doesn't look like anything special to me.

However, the PMC OB1 towers seem to perform a lot better:

The OB1's listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +1.81/–2.31 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz.

http://www.hometheater.com/content/pmc-ob1-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

So I guess the bookshelf speakers are so-so, and their towers are much better?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
The measurements of the bookshelves don't appear very good, but I'd reserve judgement until i saw measurements of their active studio monitors, rather than their passive hi fi bookshelves. The speaker this thread is about, is an active studio monitor.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
You can't measure a TL with one mic placed like that. There is too much output from the port. You have to mic the port output separately and sum it with the woofer response.

That is a very small TL and it is not properly damped by the look of the impedance curve. I suspect this was done to increase bass output from the small driver.

Unlike a reflex enclosure, the pipe will assist the driver over 1.5 to two octaves. I suspect at the mic position there was cancellation between driver and port at the mic position.

As far as the 2 to 4 kHz smiley, I guess that is because Peter Thomas is an ex BBC engineer.

The BBC have long maintained that a slight 2 to 3 db droop centered on 3 kHz is desirable for a more spacious sound stage.

I agree to an extent, but I don't deviate much from flat. I will tell you one thing, even a tiny excess in output in that range, makes for a terrible speaker. So I never allow any excess in energy in that region. If I have to choose I always come down on the side of a dip, never a peak, not even a small one of a half db.

That's closer to a 5 db drop between 2 and 4 KHz and I'm thinking vocals and instruments would sound a bit recessed which to me would shrink the sound stage. I'll give you the argruement on the bass but the mids......not buying into the "British" way of doing it. Give me a flat response in the most critical of frequencies to human hearing. That way, the speaker reveals if a recording is good or bad rather than mask it.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
The measurements of the bookshelves don't appear very good, but I'd reserve judgement until i saw measurements of their active studio monitors, rather than their passive hi fi bookshelves. The speaker this thread is about, is an active studio monitor.
So we can't find any measurements of their active studio monitors yet?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
So we can't find any measurements of their active studio monitors yet?
Maybe tls guy can request some response graphs for us when he visits PMC?

He says only +/- 2db variance is acceptable in the midband, and the active studio speakers he's heard impressed him, so i find it difficult to believe they have 6db swings in the midrange.
 
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