I really wish people would learn the difference between a "woofer" and a "SUBwoofer"

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markw

Audioholic Overlord
People, very few speakers come with a built in sub-woofer.

But, virtually all full range speakers come with a woofer. They do the lows just below the mid-range and, in some systems, generally do down to 50, maybe 40 hz, depending on the design. Smaller systems will not make it quite so low. A few big speakers can go somewhat lower, but not many.

In general, a woofer works the lows from below where the mid-range speaker stops down to where I mentioned in the above paragraph.

Now, a SUBwoofer, as the name implies, takes over below where a woofer stops, which means they generally don't do a heckuva lot above 80 - 100 hz or so, maybe higher in some systems but the lower their high end, the better the system blend.

Als, they tend to do well in a separate enclosure because where they do the most good is innot always in the same place that the rest of the speaker system sounds good.

So, a normal two way speaker system consists of a mid-range/tweeter combo and a woofer. A three way system would have a mid-range driver (squawker) stuck between the woofer and the tweeter.

So,kids, when talking about your systems, remember, that big speaker is generally a woofer, not a sub woofer.

I'm sure some will want to pick this apart but, remember, it's only a basic primer on how to speak this language here.
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Toldja someone was gonna wanna play my ****'s bigger than yours.

My WOOFERS in my mains play 20hz. :)
I believe I allowed for that contingency. Both of 'em.

waddaya got?
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
There is more than one way to look at it, with one being that a subwoofer deals with some particular set of frequencies (probably conjoined with the idea that it does not do certain other frequencies, perhaps, say, above 200 Hz), and another being that a subwoofer deals with whatever is below a "regular" speaker. With the first of these, my computer "subwoofer" may not qualify as a subwoofer (its low end, if memory serves, is about 50Hz), but with the latter idea, it probably does, if we mean regular computer speakers.

If we went with the former idea, we might be tempted to call the woofers in these speakers "subwoofers," because they only handle sound from 150Hz down. The manufacturer called them "woofers." (And also interesting is the fact that they called the ribbon driver "full range" in a brochure I have.) The woofers in those speakers don't deal with any frequencies that some "subwoofers" may be set to do.

Or we might think about the Music Goddess speakers one can see in the brochure here, where the 10" driver deals with frequencies below 150Hz and is called there a "woofer", though rather curiously, the driver that is in the Music Goddess called a "midrange" is the same driver that is called a "woofer" in the Moon Goddess speaker, and a very slightly modified version of that driver is called a "mid-woofer" in the Leisure 2 SE.

The Music Goddess case is particularly interesting because if I took a pair of those 10" drivers and put them in their own boxes (like typical subwoofer boxes) and used a separate amplifier to drive them, with a crossover of 150 Hz and used them with my Leisure 2 SE speakers, most people would call them "subwoofers."

I personally tend to think of the term "subwoofer" differently in different contexts (which is not entirely unlike the way Wikipedia handles the term).

But in any case, you are right that many people are calling ordinary woofers "subwoofers," which can be seen from reading ads on eBay and Craigslist, where sometimes people call a little woofer in a small bookshelf speaker a "subwoofer." And, like you, I wish they would stop, as they are wrong in what they are stating.
 
dkane360

dkane360

Audioholic Field Marshall
... a regulation 6 incher. :D
Mine's 8 and 3/4 long throw :eek:

But yea it really bothers me when people confuse the two. When I first got my b2031p, someone came from down the hall and was like "woah, so those speakers have a tweeter and a subwoofer?" :rolleyes:
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Mine's over 13" and seems to make people happy. I'm not going to talk about bottoming out, though. I'm a gentleman.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
ermm and that gives one bragging rights? :confused: :D
... thick. We're talking diameter, right?

The sub in my truck is a powered 6" Pioneer but I'm sure it's more of a woofer.

You didn't think I was talking about home theater did you?
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
... thick. We're talking diameter, right?

The sub in my truck is a powered 6" Pioneer but I'm sure it's more of a woofer.

You didn't think I was talking about home theater did you?
Me bad. :D
 
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Hocky

Full Audioholic
I believe I allowed for that contingency. Both of 'em.

waddaya got?
ML Summit and ML Summit X. But in all fairness, as pyrrho pointed out, the definition is quite arguable. My woofers are only crossed in at 270hz.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
People, very few speakers come with a built in sub-woofer.

But, virtually all full range speakers come with a woofer. They do the lows just below the mid-range and, in some systems, generally do down to 50, maybe 40 hz, depending on the design. Smaller systems will not make it quite so low. A few big speakers can go somewhat lower, but not many.

In general, a woofer works the lows from below where the mid-range speaker stops down to where I mentioned in the above paragraph.

Now, a SUBwoofer, as the name implies, takes over below where a woofer stops, which means they generally don't do a heckuva lot above 80 - 100 hz or so, maybe higher in some systems but the lower their high end, the better the system blend.

Als, they tend to do well in a separate enclosure because where they do the most good is innot always in the same place that the rest of the speaker system sounds good.

So, a normal two way speaker system consists of a mid-range/tweeter combo and a woofer. A three way system would have a mid-range driver (squawker) stuck between the woofer and the tweeter.

So,kids, when talking about your systems, remember, that big speaker is generally a woofer, not a sub woofer.

I'm sure some will want to pick this apart but, remember, it's only a basic primer on how to speak this language here.
In agreement. I think the term subwoofer refers to a woofer housed in its own seperate enclosure and a seperate amp (if active) more than it does with bottom extension. Full range speakers that can do 20 HZ and don't rely on a seperate amp to drive the bass portion have woofers, not sub woofers. Speakers however can have built in sub woofers which have drivers isolated from the remaining speaker cabinet and have a seperate built in amp to drive them.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Woofer, subwoofer. Potato, potato.

Huh, that doesn't work nearly as well in writing. :D
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
I have 2 - 8 inchers, (350 wpc each)
a 15 incher (1000 w)
and an 18 incher. (4000 w)
 
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