Just Got A Marantz SR-6005 - Questions.

Crescendo

Crescendo

Audioholic Intern
I recently pulled the trigger on the new Marantz SR-6005 A/V Receiver. I got it for $200 off on sale at Crutchfield ($799). It has all the features I think I want (30 more watts than what I had, HD-Radio, dual sub outputs, etc.), plus a whole host of other stuff I've never even seen demonstrated much less know how to use. I haven't got it yet, but it will be here in a few days.

This is my first modern A/V receiver. I was using a Marantz 2-channel receiver (SR-4023) before. I only have one subwoofer for now, but can I use this Audyssey thing to set up for 2.1 or 2.2 channel in regular stereo mode? I not in any hurry in getting a full surround set-up at the moment but it's nice to have the options.

Also, I don't even have a modern flat panel TV or blue ray player yet, although I intend to get these sometime in the near future.

Yes, I know I'm totally unhip about these things, but I now feel that this kind of stuff is good enough and at the right price to start buying, and I'm willing to learn all I can.
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
This is my first modern A/V receiver. I was using a Marantz 2-channel receiver (SR-4023) before. I only have one subwoofer for now, but can I use this Audyssey thing to set up for 2.1 or 2.2 channel in regular stereo mode? I not in any hurry in getting a full surround set-up at the moment but it's nice to have the options.
You can run 2.0, or 2.1. You can run dual subs as well, but it will not be 2.2... each sub will NOT receiver a discrete signal. This may impact phase negatively unless you deal with that ahead of the signal. You may need to play with setup a few times and keep doing it until the phase match between the two subs works.

When running auto setup, you normally want the microphone to be close to ear level or tweeter level so that it doesn't take vertical off axis measurements (where few speakers truly excel). A silent room is ideal for setup (and in general). It's best to do it at night so that nearby traffic noise etc doesn't interfere.

In order to use your subwoofer for music, you need to run the setup first, and if it determines your speakers have extension to 60hz or so then you will need to manually switch them from the automatic setting of "large" to "small". Doing so will allow you to cross over to the subwoofer.

When the receiver is in source direct mode, the speakers alone will receiver a full range signal. When you switch to "audyssey" it will apply additional equalization filters which may or may not improve your sound quality. What I do is take the Audessey results and apply them to where it starts adding boost/cut near 400-600hz, and simply use "preset EQ". Preset EQ also incorporates the sub, although I don't believe any filters can be applied to that channel (though my receiver is older).

In source direct, the sub will still receiver discrete LFE content, but not matrixed content from two-channel. Otherwise, yes, the auto setup of Audyssey XT will set speaker trims and subwoofer output levels.

Audyssey will also determine a crossover point for you, but this may not be optimal. The tests Audyssey takes are at 75-85db or so, but real content can have dynamic peaks as high as 105-115db. So while audyssey optimizes for regular volumes, it doesn't take into account that distortion rises at higher volumes. So you may find that if audyssey sets your crossover point as 60hz for example, that 80hz or 100hz is more optimal for your particlar main speakers so that they do not have to dig as deep at high SPLs. a two way bookshelf for example can hit 60hz, but it isn't likely going to do that at 100db! Crossing it at 100hz will give you a cleaner sound at higher SPLs.

Never go LOWER than what audyssey recommends, only go up. Also as you go higher the crossover effects (especially localization) become more and more audible. So finding the balance between mains and subwoofer is still YOUR job, although audyssey makes it easier. The filters it applies to the sub channel may also improve sound quality, as the resolution of these FIR boosts and cuts is extremely high. Play around with it, it won't be too hard unless you can't navigate through menus.

At your subwoofer level, make sure to defeat any onboard crossover settings or set it to the highest possible value.

Also, I'm sorry to hear you spent so much for that receiver... Accessories4less has the same receiver for $650 brand new, from an authorized dealer:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6005A/MARANTZ/SR6005-110w-X-7ch-3-D-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html

And even less for a Factory Refurb:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6005/MARANTZ/SR6005-110w-X-7ch-3-D-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html
 
Crescendo

Crescendo

Audioholic Intern
Thanks for all the info. You were very helpful.

Also, I'm sorry to hear you spent so much for that receiver... Accessories4less has the same receiver for $650 brand new, from an authorized dealer:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6005A/MARANTZ/SR6005-110w-X-7ch-3-D-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html

And even less for a Factory Refurb:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MARSR6005/MARANTZ/SR6005-110w-X-7ch-3-D-Home-Theater-Surround-Receiver/1.html
Sigh... Oh well... I can always return it to Crutchfield and get this cheaper one at Accessories for less. I haven't received it yet, so it will be unopened. I just ordered today, so I may even be able to stop the shipment altogether. Thanks for that.

How is this company as far as returns and customer service go? I've been burned before going the cheap route with some obscure A/V company I've never heard of.

Sometimes, the hassle isn't worth the money saved.
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Thanks for all the info. You were very helpful.

Sigh... Oh well... I can always return it to Crutchfield and get this cheaper one at Accessories for less. I haven't received it yet, so it will be unopened. I just ordered today, so I may even be able to stop the shipment altogether. Thanks for that.

How is this company as far as returns and customer service go? I've been burned before going the cheap route with some obscure A/V company I've never heard of.

Sometimes, the hassle isn't worth the money saved.
Before you send it back why not ask them to price match?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
How is this company as far as returns and customer service go? I've been burned before going the cheap route with some obscure A/V company I've never heard of.
I couldn't tell you, after I quickly got my product from them I never had to call them or return. I did email them about a thing or two and they were quick to respond. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from them again, is all I can say. Maybe someone else can chime in, as I know i'm not the only person to have used them here, or on AVS forum either.
 
Crescendo

Crescendo

Audioholic Intern
Before you send it back why not ask them to price match?
I thought about that, but since they already had my money, I didn't know what my chances were. That is something you are generally supposed to do BEFORE you buy. I had contacted Crutchfield and they had already shipped the Marantz out. They said I can refuse the package and get a refund at no cost. Then I will order the one at Accessories4less for $650.

My mistake, so I guess I'll have to learn the hard way.
 
Crescendo

Crescendo

Audioholic Intern
I couldn't tell you, after I quickly got my product from them I never had to call them or return. I did email them about a thing or two and they were quick to respond. I wouldn't hesitate to purchase from them again, is all I can say. Maybe someone else can chime in, as I know i'm not the only person to have used them here, or on AVS forum either.
Thank you again for the help. You've saved me a lot of money (read my reply to Peng).

From now on, I will ask you kind and knowledgeable people before I buy anything, as it seems that every time I go ahead and pull the trigger on something it can always be found much cheaper somewhere else.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone else came along and says: "You shouldn't have paid $650, you can get the same thing here for $599..." :)
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I wouldn't be surprised if someone else came along and says: "You shouldn't have paid $650, you can get the same thing here for $599..." :)
I would be surprise if you could find one for $599 from an authorized dealer. The SR6005 is only one notch lower than the SR7005.
 
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Mejazz

Audiophyte
I would be surprise if you could find one for $599 from an authorized dealer. The SR6005 is only one notch lower than the SR7005.
Well, just ordered mine from Vanns for 566... I guess never say never :)
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Well, just ordered mine from Vanns for 566... I guess never say never :)
I never did say never.:D Besides, don't we all know for electronic toys the never you buy the less you pay? $33 less in 3 months seem reasonable to me.
 
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Mejazz

Audiophyte
Though then i started reading about how it breaks down sooner than later most users and i see its weight not really on par with a receiver of its class and i had second thought about it. I found Yamaha A1000 for around same price and ordered that instead. But i m still wondering which of these two is the better one? Any one experienced with both of these and could pl. Provide feedback. TIA.
 
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jontalk

Audiophyte
Well I'm pretty excited and glad to be part of this discussion. After owning a Marantz SR8000 for many years, I just scored an SR6005 in perfect condition for $250. I use it along with a set of Definitive Studio Monitor 450's for the font left/right, Definitive Pro Center 2000, Definitive Pro Sub 100, and B&W surrounds. I have a Panasonic BMP BD110 and Panasonic 42" ST30 series 3D plasma, Marantz CD carousel and Roku 2XS. I have a powerline network set up in addition. I ran the Audessy without any problems and it seemed pretty accurate with respect to distances. I set the front cross overs at 110 Hz, center at 150 Hz and sub at 90 Hz. I do not have cable TV so all my media is either DVD or Blu Ray, or streamed through the Roku or Blu Ray player. Am wondering if anyone has any recommended custom setting that bring out more of the amplifiers power etc.. My old Marantz was 105 w/channel at .005 THD, and seemed a bit stronger. However the 6005 definitely sounds more open, the surround during movies is more dynamic and CD's sound great.. Since the Definitive speakers are bass monsters, it's pretty impressive! Thanks.
 

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