B2031P's for $140/pr

KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I can recommend these to anyone who:
1) Doesn't plan or want to use a sub right away - these have 8-3/4" woofers.
2) Doesn't mind the "utility" look with no grills. I like the look of them, but they don't fit in with typical speakers.
3) Doesn't mind a wide and generally large bookshelf speaker (by todays standards).
4) Has more than a bottom line budget receiver - these are 4 ohm speakers and might not play well with budget receivers that cannot handle 4 ohm loads. (as a reference point, my 100WPC Marantz SR6001 has no problem at all with them).

IMHO, these sound better than the Infinity Primus P362's. Not much, they are mainly equals, but these are better built and the P362 has resonance if you push them very hard. I have pushed them both hard in my master bedroom which is 2450 cu.ft. and I would describe the Behringer as decidedly tighter in bass and slightly more detailed for mid and highs.

I have heard from others that these are not well suited for large rooms. I have never tried to find their limit in my living room, but they fill my BR nicely!
 
Matt34

Matt34

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I might pick up three of these to use with my pair of 2030p for HT system. I really enjoy my 2030p in a near-field environment.
 
its phillip

its phillip

Audioholic Ninja
I really wanna buy a pair or two but I need to save money for a new receiver :(
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
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1) Doesn't plan or want to use a sub right away - these have 8-3/4" woofers.
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Rather curiously, my bookshelf speakers with 5 1/4" woofers have a -3dB point of 5Hz lower than those have listed with an unspecified tolerance (if the listed frequency response really is +/-3dB, they would be smart to say so, but as they do not, that strongly suggests that it is not within +/-3dB). Of course, it is not a fair comparison, as mine cost a lot more, but it seems odd that its low end is no better than that with such a large woofer. I guess being really cheap means it is not going to go very deep.

I would want a subwoofer with a speaker that had a -3dB point of 55Hz, and those are probably much further down at 55Hz than 3dB since they have not bothered to list a tolerance.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Rather curiously, my bookshelf speakers with 5 1/4" woofers have a -3dB point of 5Hz lower than those have listed with an unspecified tolerance (if the listed frequency response really is +/-3dB, they would be smart to say so, but as they do not, that strongly suggests that it is not within +/-3dB). Of course, it is not a fair comparison, as mine cost a lot more, but it seems odd that its low end is no better than that with such a large woofer. I guess being really cheap means it is not going to go very deep.

I would want a subwoofer with a speaker that had a -3dB point of 55Hz, and those are probably much further down at 55Hz than 3dB since they have not bothered to list a tolerance.
I agree with everything you say. All I can say is I listened to these and the P362 level matched without subs and I preferred the bass of the Behringer. I can't say it went lower, but I would have noticed if it was substantially absent in comparison to the P362 (which is rated at -3db at 38Hz).

Behringer does state:
Ultra-linear frequency response from 55 Hz to 21 kHz, but I would be skeptical about what "ultralinear" means as presented by the manufacturer!

As an aside:
Interestingly, the Active Behringer 2031A is rated at 50 Hz to 21 kHz. I would assign certain attributes to an active speaker with active crossovers, but I would not expect extension to be one of them!
Any ideas on why going Active would give better extension?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
I agree with everything you say. All I can say is I listened to these and the P362 level matched without subs and I preferred the bass of the Behringer. I can't say it went lower, but I would have noticed if it was substantially absent in comparison to the P362 (which is rated at -3db at 38Hz).

Behringer does state:
Ultra-linear frequency response from 55 Hz to 21 kHz, but I would be skeptical about what "ultralinear" means as presented by the manufacturer!

As an aside:
Interestingly, the Active Behringer 2031A is rated at 50 Hz to 21 kHz. I would assign certain attributes to an active speaker with active crossovers, but I would not expect extension to be one of them!
Any ideas on why going Active would give better extension?
With an active speaker, there can be a bass boost in the amplifier to make up for the drop off in frequency response of the woofer. However, in doing that, they would be increasing the likelihood of bottoming out the woofer, unless they also had built-in a limiter for the amplifier. That would mean, of course, that that frequency response would obtain below maximum output, but not at maximum output, as the boost in the bass would have to be limited at that point, or they would be limiting the maximum volume of the speaker.

As for the bass response compared with the Infinity P362, how much one will notice regarding any difference will depend upon many factors, not least of which is the source material. If one is listening to something without bass that goes lower than what the lesser speaker will do, the better speaker will not be playing any deeper bass due to it not being in the source material.

One way that some manufacturers have given their speakers the illusion of deep bass is by over-exaggerating the upper bass. So one gets a bassy sound, but without actual depth. I have no idea whether that applies to these speakers or not, or what music you listened to, or what the acoustic properties were in the room where you played them both (if they were not both in the same room, you can forget about seriously comparing the bass by sound), or how they were set up, or anything else that may be relevant.

And, of course, you are right to be skeptical about the meaning of "Ultra-linear" in this context. It is basically a meaningless phrase, like saying it is "good", or saying of an amplifier that it is "high current" (which is really funny when listed on an amplifier that isn't supposed to be used with speakers less than 8 ohms, presumably due to a lack of being able to deal with the extra current required for lower impedances).
 
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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
One way that some manufacturers have given their speakers the illusion of deep bass is by over-exaggerating the upper bass. So one gets a bassy sound, but without actual depth. I have no idea whether that applies to these speakers or not, or what music you listened to, or what the acoustic properties were in the room where you played them both (if they were not both in the same room, you can forget about seriously comparing the bass by sound), or how they were set up, or anything else that may be relevant.
They were in the same room, side-by-side, level matched with instant switching between them. I would characterize the B2031P as having cleaner & tighter bass. Definitely not heavier.
I felt the P362 had a somewhat elevated level of bass and I would say the Behringers were more neutral.
 
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