I Need new fronts.

[GranteedEV]

jeffsg4mac seems to have made up his mind about the general type of speakers he wants - stand mounted MTMs - with an F3 bass response high enough to avoid exciting the 40 Hz peak he has in his room. I tried to convince him that the problem he had with his Paradigm Monitor 7s was bloated bass caused by poor cabinet tuning. Only the Monitor 7s produced the problem and his subwoofers did not - in the same room. Because of that, it is likely that other tower speakers designed without an exaggerated bass response would work well.

He didn't buy that. End of story. That ship has sailed. It's his money and his choice. Choosing stand mounted speakers in smaller cabinets with higher F3 will also solve the problem.

Yeah, but it will lead to an audible disconnect between the speakers and sub unless you cross at around 100hz

 

[KEW]

I thought they were SPL limited.
Jeff has a pretty big room that's open to a different area.
Having lived with the 2030P's for about a month I would not recommend them for Jeff's space.

Thanks for that comment. I have not tried them in a large room.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

I guess some of you guys also missed the part where I said the sub also has a peak at 40 something too, but is corrected by audyssey. Audyssey does not correct the fronts to level of the subs so combined I get a really big bump in that area. Audyssey MultiEQ has 8x more correction power on the sub channel. It would not make any difference if the fronts where another brand that played just as low I would still have the peak at 40 something because of the room.

The is also no proof that the monitor 7's are bloated by design in the low end. When I run the RTA on them full range compared to the subs, the peak is in the same spot on either and I know my subs are not bloated. That is being caused by room dimensions and/or shape. I have tested several other speakers in my room in the last year and when I checked on the RTA they all had a bump in the low end at precisely the same region. One was a set of polks, a set of Klipsch and also a set Energy's. In my particular room any speaker that plays in that range is not going to be a good choice to mate with my subs. I either have to roll them off steeper electronically or by design. I have a 12 to 15 db bump in that area caused by the room. Do the math. Even if the speaker is ruler flat and it plays into the 40's it will still have at least a 5db bump in that area after being rolled of at 80hz 12db per octave. ANY speaker that plays well into this area is not a good choice for me flat or otherwise. Not sure why this is so hard for some to understand Thanks for your suggestions anyway

I am not going to be missing anything so long as the proper crossover point is selected for the speakers being used. The Ushers have an f3 in the 80's and f10 around 43ish so that is just about perfect.

I am not some noob and I do know a little of what I am talking about. I have been in this hobby longer than some of you might be old.

 

[GranteedEV]

I am not going to be missing anything so long as the proper crossover point is selected for the speakers being used. The Ushers have an f3 in the 80's and f10 around 43ish so that is just about perfect.

The ushers are exactly what I was recommending since the beginning, sealed box with rolloff starting around 80hz! Don't take my post the wrong way! I was talking about a box with a port tuned around 80hz, since I thought you were still adamant about the fast rolloff of a port. I recalled that you were disagreeing with me about bass reflex vs acoustic suspension and assumed you were still looking at ported bookshelves tuned in that 80hz area, and I honestly believe a ported speaker tuned around 80hz would not work well for what you're looking for. The Usher kit you're looking at looks absolutely perfect on the other hand.

And I wasn't assuming you were some noob either. I was just saying it might sound bad to have to blend the port sound from around 80-110hz of a ported box with the non-port sound of the subwoofer from 60-90hz or so... again I thought you were talking about tuning a port in that region. If going ported I would tune somewhere from 55-65hz.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

The ushers are exactly what I was recommending since the beginning, with a THX style rolloff starting around 80hz! Don't take my post the wrong way! I was talking about a box with a port tuned around 80hz, since I thought you were still adamant about the fast rolloff of a port.

I honestly believe a ported speaker tuned around 80hz would not work well for what you're looking for. The Usher kit you're looking at looks absolutely perfect on the other hand.

Yeah you did I lost track. I think if it was a properly designed ported system it would work, but have no loyalty to either design. I just want the darn things to be at least 10db or more down in that area. With the Ushers I can even reduce the box a little if want to. It still looked good on bass box pro with a little smaller box.

I do appreciate all the suggestions too!