Just bought a Realistic STEREO 8-Track Player Any Thoughts and or Opinions?

TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
In my opinion these 8-tracks sound better than Cassettes. How did I get so lucky to find a fully functional 8-track Player without needing service? Won this off that popular Auction site.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
In my opinion these 8-tracks sound better than Cassettes. How did I get so lucky to find a fully functional 8-track Player without needing service? Won this off that popular Auction site.
That is not true. Whilst it is true that the 8-track has a faster tape speed 3 3/4 ips versus 1 7/8 for the cassette the tape track widths are the same.

The problem with the 8 track is the tape path is such that attaining acceptable wow and flutter is impossible.

The cassette deck was capable of extreme refinement and with noise reduction systems such as Dolby B and especially Dolby C and dbx 2 tape saturation was ameliorated, to a large degree.

To avoid tape saturation out to 20 kHz at full modulation requires a half track machine running at 15 ips minimum.

The slow tape speeds and small track widths are the downfall of all domestic tape formats, with the exception of the expensive half track 15 ips reel to reel machines. All these machines were built to at least a semi professional standard. Prices for such machines in the 70 were around $1500 to $3000.

The best cassette machines were also in that price range.

A TEAC machine like the one you see below was over $2000 and no 8 track would come close to it.

 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
The problem with the 8 track is the tape path is such that attaining acceptable wow and flutter is impossible.
I was late enough into the 8track vs cassette game (early '70's) that cassettes were clearly the way to go, so that is what I had.
My only real experience with 8 tracks was in cars (not mine), but one of the problems was hearing one of the other tracks during the quiet time between songs on the track currently being played. Since the head is having to move between tracks it seems like it would be difficult to consistently align it correctly (as it could be on a auto-reverse cassette deck which had heads that would flip). Was this a problem on better home decks as well?
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
You are right about that reel-reel Machines & Cassette Decks were exspensive but their were some highend Stereo 8-track Decks with dolby NR Like Realistic,Panasonic,Pioneer or Centrex by Pioneer.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
You are right about that reel-reel Machines & Cassette Decks were exspensive but their were some highend Stereo 8-track Decks with dolby NR Like Realistic,Panasonic,Pioneer or Centrex by Pioneer.
Yes, that was a big problem. You really can't go moving head about, you have very unreliable azimuth and zenith alignment, to say nothing of getting tape and head on the right tracks, and not pick up the other track. A minute error in azimuth alignment puts HF response right in the tank.

8 tracks never saw the light of day in Europe, thank goodness. 8 tracks are purely American contraptions. They really are just awful from a mechanical point of view. The C-cassette introduced by Philips of Holland is a much better bet.
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
TLS Guy

For some reason I figured you for a Elcaset guy. I think I still have a Sony around somewhere.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
TLS Guy

For some reason I figured you for a Elcaset guy. I think I still have a Sony around somewhere.
They Never really caught on, just like "madman" Muntz four track cartridges.

This latter was actually a good system, just like the Garrard cartridge. None of these survived long.

However the race to the bottom had begun and the US got saddled with that terrible 8 track.

The C-cassette one out because of size and convenience. When all was said and done it was a reliable system and capable of better fidelity than one would have thought possible.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
In my opinion these 8-tracks sound better than Cassettes. How did I get so lucky to find a fully functional 8-track Player without needing service? Won this off that popular Auction site.
That is not true. Whilst it is true that the 8-track has a faster tape speed 3 3/4 ips versus 1 7/8 for the cassette the tape track widths are the same.

The problem with the 8 track is the tape path is such that attaining acceptable wow and flutter is impossible.

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In the early days of 8-track and cassette (circa 1970), with the actual players available, 8-tracks often had a far better frequency response, due to tape speed. Later improvements with cassettes overcame that initial difference, and, of course, you are right that wow and flutter was extremely high with 8-track tapes, particularly in practice, as not every tape had the best internal mechanism that was possible, etc. And due to the design, high wow and flutter could not be overcome. And with 8-track tapes, there were reliability problems as well, which varied somewhat according to the quality of the tapes and the players, but due to design issues, could never be as reliable as other tape designs could be.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Pics wanted of Realistic,Pioneer,Panasonic,York Radio Corp 8-track Player/recorder Decks.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
How can I tell if an 8-track Player was exspensive when new? Does my Realistic 8-track Deck look nice?
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
How can I tell if an 8-track Player was exspensive when new? Does my Realistic 8-track Deck look nice?
Look at the link in the post just before yours, or click here:

http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalog_directory.html

Look for your model in the various catalogs. If you have a good idea on when it was made, it will help, or if you know the model number, that will help if you post it so that someone might be able to let you know when it was sold. Also, models that have VU meters and many controls tend to be higher than models with few controls and no meters.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
I tried looking in the catalogs last night I could not find it. No VU Meters No Controls just push button channel Select. Kinda had plans to purchase an 8-track Recorder soon Pioneer,Craig or Realistic.
 
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audioman

Enthusiast
That is awesome, THAT'S HISTORY for all you audio SNOBS! there won't be NO mp3 and 4's or any of the apple software/netflix without 8 TRACKS! These are the foundations of 21st century audio! I used to have a realistic 8 track player back in the day, like the 70's! I still use a TASCAM pro cassette player from time to time using DBX expanders. HD DIGITAL is great, but so does ANALOG when using the right equipment! You can never REPLACE the TURNTABLE, it's just not the same. VINYL is here to stay. 8 track maybe a relic but it's history!
 
walter duque

walter duque

Audioholic Samurai
I just had to drag this 35+ year old 8 track up 3 flights of stairs (thing must weigh 30#) just to post these pictures. Unit is actually in good condition exept the chrome end caps on the knobs came off. I am just starting to realize how much junk I have around. This thing actually has a cooling fan. Next I have to drag out is my Teac 3340 S.





 
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KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I tried looking in the catalogs last night I could not find it. No VU Meters No Controls just push button channel Select. Kinda had plans to purchase an 8-track Recorder soon Pioneer,Craig or Realistic.
It is at the bottom of page 154 of the 1975 catalog. It retailed for $49.95.

I like the triple 8 track changer above it!:D
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
Audiosnobs? Hardly.

That is awesome, THAT'S HISTORY for all you audio SNOBS! there won't be NO mp3 and 4's or any of the apple software/netflix without 8 TRACKS! These are the foundations of 21st century audio! I used to have a realistic 8 track player back in the day, like the 70's! I still use a TASCAM pro cassette player from time to time using DBX expanders. HD DIGITAL is great, but so does ANALOG when using the right equipment! You can never REPLACE the TURNTABLE, it's just not the same. VINYL is here to stay. 8 track maybe a relic but it's history!
Nobody is questioning 8-track's place in history just as nobody is questioning the 78 RPM records place in history. We're just acknowleding that the mediums design problems left great room for improvement, which was addressed by the cassette which, even though thinner and running at half the speed of 8-tracks, outperformed it within two generations and was smaller, more convenient, and more reliable to boot.

Also note that 8-tracks had a relatively short time (< 10 years) in the limelight before cassettes had evolved into a superior medium while improvements to 8-tracks stopped after trying to incorporate dolby, which still couldn't correct the physical limitations of the medium itself. By the time they tried that, cassettes already had the upper hand.

Now, if you want to say how great 78 RPM records still sound because it's part of history, feel free.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Wow SUPER Nice for $50.00 I am a bit surprised thought it would have costs more back in 1975.
 
TapeMaster

TapeMaster

Audioholic
Is this one of the better 8-track Players as opposed to Soundesign,Electrophonic?
 

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