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Warpdrv

Warpdrv

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Ok, I see what your saying....

Ascend also sells the Rythmik subs and lists matte black FYI.

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/subs/subintro.html

I'll be honest, the place where I heard the downfiring sub it was not installed on concrete with no ill effects at all...

I have had downfiring SVS subs and they perform just fine in my wood floor room, I wouldn't limit myself to front firing subs....

I had a JL F112 in my bedroom 1800^3, it had amazing output and would spill out all over the place.... trust me, you have a PUNY room (only in comparison to my great room). You should feel lucky you don't have to fill my great room with bass - 8200^3 open to everywhere... click my link....

If music is your main thing, there is nothing wrong with the 12" subs, you'll save money and still have more then plenty of bass.... if you need more, just add another... :)

If 15" is your thing, I'm not going to downsell you.... :)
Go Big or Go HOME !!!! :D
 
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ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
I read the post, that doesn't change the problem with the old amp or the justification of the 60-80hz only xover.

Plus those amps aren't avail to late feb.
Not correct. I bought a pair of the new amps with the extended upper frequency over 8 months back. They have been available for a long time. People with the older amp can send them in to be modified for free I believe to be up to current spec. Brian is good like that with his older products.
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
That's great !!

Thanks for posting that relevant info for others here. Very important to clarify IMO.
 
ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
Warpdrv,

"In a room size such as yours ([modest] paraphrase, ;) )... a pair of 12's would be awesome and likely give you all the output that you would need, but since you are shooting for HT and not just a 2 ch rig, I would shoot for the 15's as well, even a single 15" sub in that room should provide you with as much output as you need or want, with the ability to add a second down the line..."

Minor correction: My main goal is accurate, musical bass, I only have a center for TV dialogue. Whatever bass gets produced during movies is fine; definitely not a great concern for my application.

I think that F15HP idea is OK (of note, just found out matte black won't be available until March for this model) but I'd much rather add 1 or even 2 more F15s if I needed it (props to Dr. Geddes for introducing me to multiple subs).

Also, I looked at the D15SE but it's only recommended for concrete subfloors per the company (asked about it via e-mail). I just can't be sure my next house will have this feature so I think a non-down firing sub would provide more flexibility.

To all who have posted, thanks for all the education and insight thus far!
Both my D15SE's run on wood flooring. No issues or ill effects at all. Either way, the 15" sealed driver is the way to go. Just need to figure out if you want front or down firing version, XLR/PEQ2 option and 375/600 watts. :)
 
ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
That's great !!

Thanks for posting that relevant info for others here. Very important to clarify IMO.
Brian is great like that. He gets a ton of repeat customers because of how he handles changes and situations as they arise. I have 4 subs and 8 DIY kits from him. He can be hard to understand on the phone, but in the end he takes care of his customers. He also gives a discount to repeat customers as well if you inquire. :)

The only issue with Rythmik is their website never being updated promptly. :p I can live with that though. Best place to get up to date info, talk tech,views etc is to go to the official Rythmik thread over on AVS. :D
 
Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
I know Brian, he sent me a demo of his 15" ported sub (at no cost to me) for one of my Subwoofer GTG's that I hosted. I have nothing to say but good things about him and his products....

They sound good and look good... good products for good prices..
 
jp_over

jp_over

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Ok, I see what your saying....

Ascend also sells the Rythmik subs and lists matte black FYI.

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/subs/subintro.html

I'll be honest, the place where I heard the downfiring sub it was not installed on concrete with no ill effects at all...

I have had downfiring SVS subs and they perform just fine in my wood floor room, I wouldn't limit myself to front firing subs....

I had a JL F112 in my bedroom 1800^3, it had amazing output and would spill out all over the place.... trust me, you have a PUNY room (only in comparison to my great room). You should feel lucky you don't have to fill my great room with bass - 8200^3 open to everywhere... click my link....

If music is your main thing, there is nothing wrong with the 12" subs, you'll save money and still have more then plenty of bass.... if you need more, just add another... :)

If 15" is your thing, I'm not going to downsell you.... :)
Go Big or Go HOME !!!! :D
I have checked out your link - awesome! My current system build is a WAF and price compromise. When I retire I plan on having a sound proof listening / theater room to my own specifications. I'll also having a modest system in the living room to appease the natives. :D
 
ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
So did you settle on the F15? Your sig. changed. Did you grab the XLR or PEQ version? Killer sub, you won't be dissapointed. :)
 
ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
I know Brian, he sent me a demo of his 15" ported sub (at no cost to me) for one of my Subwoofer GTG's that I hosted. I have nothing to say but good things about him and his products....

They sound good and look good... good products for good prices..
Did he send you over a regular FV or the FV high powered version? Love to hear your thoughts on it versus his regular sealed subs. I assume obviously it will have more output being a ported design. But I would like to know if porting hurt the SQ in anyway or if its as tight and dry sounding as his sealed version. :)

I ordered an FV15HP for my kids HT setup to replace a pair of down firing sealed Kef 10" subs(PS2500's) since the kids love the big boom on movies. But Im hoping it will still be nice and tight for music when Im in there watching over the playfield. :p If not I still have time to change my order back to another F15HP which I know has more than enough output for them. :)
 
jp_over

jp_over

Full Audioholic
So did you settle on the F15? Your sig. changed. Did you grab the XLR or PEQ version? Killer sub, you won't be dissapointed. :)
I believe the F15 will meet all my requirements and then some.

As far as the other choices like which model/features, I haven't got that far yet (aside from color/finish)! Any recommendations? I'll be using the 2 x subwoofer outputs on the receiver and using it's bass management feature for the cross over (won't need DI).

Not sure what else I'd need on the F15. It seems the XLR model would make adjustment easier (only having to adjust one sub) but I don't mind configuring both separately if this gives more flexibility for fine tuning... either way it looks like matte is out of stock for now.
 
ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
I believe the F15 will meet all my requirements and then some.

As far as the other choices like which model/features, I haven't got that far yet (aside from color/finish)! Any recommendations? I'll be using the 2 x subwoofer outputs on the receiver and using it's bass management feature for the cross over (won't need DI).

Not sure what else I'd need on the F15. It seems the XLR model would make adjustment easier (only having to adjust one sub) but I don't mind configuring both separately if this gives more flexibility for fine tuning... either way it looks like matte is out of stock for now.
Wont need "DI", sorry this one is over my head, not familiar with that abbreviation.
What does your reciever have for "bass management"? Crossover points available? Sub EQ of any kind? Details here please for my recommendation as to which amp version would be better(XLR that can daisy chain, or PEQ2 version with a 1 band adjustable parametric EQ).

As for which model on top of that. My recommendation is the F15HP featuring Rythmik's top of the line driver featuring a slightly larger one piece aluminum 15" cone and larger motor structure/greater xmax mated to a more efficient class H 600 watt amp. It gives you a couple extra db of headroom(which is GOOD)for movies and dynamic music over the regular F15. Its a couple hundred bucks more, but its worth it without question.
 
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jp_over

jp_over

Full Audioholic
Wont need "DI", sorry this one is over my head, not familiar with that abbreviation.
What does your reciever have for "bass management"? Crossover points available? Sub EQ of any kind? Details here please for my recommendation as to which amp version would be better(XLR that can daisy chain, or PEQ2 version with a 1 band adjustable parametric EQ).

As for which model on top of that. My recommendation is the F15HP featuring Rythmik's top of the line driver featuring a slightly larger one piece aluminum 15" cone and larger motor structure/greater xmax mated to a more efficient class H 600 watt amp. It gives you a couple extra db of headroom(which is GOOD)for movies and dynamic music over the regular F15. Its a couple hundred bucks more, but its worth it without question.
Here are the options I'm tracking per the company website:

"DI - The standard amplifier is A370PEQ2 (370WRMS PEQ). We have a new amp option for those who need more inputs. This will suit those who want to connect both an AV receiver and a 2 channel pre/power amp to the sub. Our DI model amps are available for $50 more. The response curves with various extension frequency/damping combinations can be found in our EQ page.

Crossover - The 24db/octave crossover option is only available on our PEQ and XLR versions. The standard version only has a 12 db/octave crossover.

Balanced professional version - For professional use, a balanced input version is available. The outputs allow multiple subwoofers to be connected. Simply daisy chain the connections, running output from the first (master) subwoofer to the input of the next.

PEQ parametric version - Our PEQ version comes with a few extra options which aren't provided on our standard amplifier. First, there is one band of parametric EQ with adjustable frequency, gain and bandwidth. This means you can not only control the boost or cut, but also the width of the filter.

Additional bass management options are also provided. A switch allows the user to select a 12 or 24 db/octave crossover slope setup option. Where the higher slope (24db/octave) is selected, the amplifier uses a variable 12db/octave filter in addition to a fixed 12db/octave filter. One can choose with a switch the corner frequency of the fixed filter as either 50 or 80 Hz, which will suit most situations. The variable filter can be used for fine tuning."

The receiver's bass management (RX-A2000 or 3000) per Gene's review:

"As was the case with the RX-Z7, the RX-A3000 provides for variable crossover settings per speaker group (ie. Mains, Center, Surrounds but doesn't give you a choice for the subwoofer crossover.

Yamaha still allows you to set the center and surround channels to "large" even if you select "small" for the main channels.

The crossovers worked as expected for a THX Ultra2 certified receiver (except the RX-A3000 is not THX certified) as indicated by the 12dB/oct High Pass Filter (HPF) slopes on speakers set small and 24dB/oct Low Pass Filter (LPF) slopes on the subwoofer output which we measured with our Audio Precision APx585. The only oddity was that the subwoofer channel was down about 1.5dB at 10Hz which to us indicated a rather conservative HPF employment on this channel since this slight attention didn't show up on any of the seven main channels."

Per the RX-A3000 manual:
"The subwoofer crossover frequency can be selected from 40, 60, 80 (default), 90, 100, 110, 120, 160, or 200hz."

Hope this answers the mail.

Looking at all that, I figure the F15 w/PEQ would give me a little extra flexibility if needed. Of note, I've still got the F15HP in the back of my mind... :D
 
ntrain42

ntrain42

Junior Audioholic
No, the PEQ version is the way to go with your setup. Id just do the HP version using the higher quality driver and more powerful(and more efficient)class H amp. Its still well within your budget and its very much worth the couple hundred extra bucks. No question about it.
 
jp_over

jp_over

Full Audioholic
No, the PEQ version is the way to go with your setup. Id just do the HP version using the higher quality driver and more powerful(and more efficient)class H amp. Its still well within your budget and its very much worth the couple hundred extra bucks. No question about it.
I should have stated more accurately: "Of note, I've still got the F15HP w/PEQ in the back of my mind..." :D Of course, now it's more to the front of my mind.

Also, just made the downpayment on my Salks and should have delivery when I'm home for R&R (FEB-MAR). I expect I'll order the sub in early May to coincide with getting home unless matte is in stock soon enough for FEB delivery...

I've attached some eye candy for those who haven't seen the Rythmik subs. Currently, am requesting WAP (wife approved purchase) on gloss & black oak in the event matte is not available or she just likes the other colors better. I'm thinking she'll go for the gloss as a closer match to the satin black SongTowers...
 

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