Help me decide between amp/bookshelves pairs

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kaungsel

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Hey Granteed


I am using 14 gauge 10ft speaking wires.
And I was listening to music from a TV music channel.

I am actually starting to enjoy these speakers more now.
I didn't meant to say the bass was terrible. It just doesnt give as much bang as I wanted it to be. I think adding a sub would solve this problem right?


Terrible to what capacity? They are after all bookshelf speakers that would prefer a sub... there's a rolloff which apparently starts at 100hz or so... but that still doesn't tell us in which way the bass is terrible.

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You aren't listening to low bitrate mp3s are you?

A few other thing i'll say are...

It may be room interaction. The axioms are not controlled directivity speakers so you may be hearing a lot of early reflections, and of course bass is always an issue.

Really, give it some time and make sure to listen to lossless music The axioms ahve a 30 day return policy so keep in touch with axiom and make sure you know how long you have to keep them. There's always and adjustment period too. You have to ask yourself what you want out of the music too... do you want a lot of extra boom? While Axioms aren't the most neutral speakers in the world, they're certainly not as "bass heavy" as some people expect.

Do read these:

http://www.audioholics.com/education/acoustics-principles/

And no, I wouldn't get the Polks.

And what wire gauge are you using? I hope you aren't using something like 24awg!
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

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Just out of curiousity, in what ways are axiomo M22 speakers superior over polk TSi 400 floor standing speakers? What specs do you guys usually look at while comparing speakers?

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/tsi/index.php?s=tsi400
http://www.axiomaudio.com/m22.html
What Polk tells you? I dunno.

Here's some FR measurements (the most basic of all measurements) of some polk speakers that we do have:




Compared to the m22s' FR:



What does it tell me? I don't know. What does it tell you?

Here's a waterfall of another polk speaker stereophile reviewed:



it definitely doesn't look that great to me TBQH. That's why I personally wouldn't get polks.

Still, if you're interested, go to best buy and grab a pair of Polks from the store and bring them in. Compare them side to side. you can't compare the bass of a tower with 3 drivers to a bookshelf with two (that wants a sub), but you can definitely compare the mids. A bookshelf-to-bookshelf comparision would be best.

Then return the one you don't want.

Keep a few things in mind

1) Polk Subwoofers are garbage. Don't let that sway your purchase. $300 value my ***. They're practically giving those away for a reason.
2) Polk "sales" are every month. You won't miss anything on that regard.

If what you want is a tower speaker, then check out some Infinity 363s. Otherwise all you need to get bass is to add a sub.

If you're not satisfied with the axioms, of course you can go ahead and return them. But to yourself you have to be able to articulate with certainty the many aspects of "why" and use that to find a good pair of speakers. Don't fall into the "this one has more bass" trap. Added boom and sizzle takes away from the nature of music. If there is bass, it should be reproduced and reproduced well, but not "more" than a given recording calls for. "Well" and "more" are different things. A recording with lots of fast, tight, dynamic bass should of course sound fast, tight, dynamic. Some nice budget subs to consider are made by Emotiva, Epik, and HSU. The goal of the bookshelf speaker is to reproduce frequencies in its own range. The midbass, the midrange, and upper octaves, while BLENDING with a sub. It should not be expected to reproduce bass frequencies with any power or precision. Getting bass is all about size, and while the M22s are a relatively big speaker, they're not really very big in the grand scheme of things.

And again, room interaction is huge. Things like placing diffusers at first reflection points (2 x ceiling, 4 x walls, 1 rug on floor) and absorbers (2 x wall behidn speaker) and adding as inconspicuous bass traps along corners (vertical and horizontal corners mind you) as you can is a more worthwhile initial investment in improving sound quality than just buying bigger and better speakers every time.
 
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kaungsel

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Okay, I am gonna stick to the Axioms and add a decent subwoofer.

I am trying to connect my laptop to the Marantz Aux port. For some reason, the auxiliary cable that I have doesn't fit into the Marantz aux port (the tip is too big). It fits my laptop though.
Can you recommend me an aux cable (preferably really long 10ft) that can connect my laptop with marantz?
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Okay, I am gonna stick to the Axioms and add a decent subwoofer.

I am trying to connect my laptop to the Marantz Aux port. For some reason, the auxiliary cable that I have doesn't fit into the Marantz aux port (the tip is too big). It fits my laptop though.
Can you recommend me an aux cable (preferably really long 10ft) that can connect my laptop with marantz?
The Emotiva Ultra Sub looks very nice so you may want to consider one of those. Epik Legends are also really nice. For sealed budget subs those are the two I'd consider.

For ported I'd look into maybe HSU STF-2 or Lavasub 12" or SVS PB10-NSD.

I'd get a ported for a larger, open room and a sealed for a smaller room that adds gain.

AFAIK the marantz does not have any 3.5mm inputs, which is what most laptops output in the analogue domain. The only thing even close is a 2.5mm input for the setup mic (which I hope you've tried out and used to set some trims) You will likely need a 3.5mm to RCA adaptor of some sort, check www.monoprice.com.

Honestly though laptops are very noisy electronics with poor sound quality. I recommend using it as a digital transport. This can be done in a few ways, the most common being

Optical Digital output (Toslink)
SPDIF
HDMI

This is what I recommend, in that order, at least for 2-channel. for 5 or 7 channel it's HDMI all the way.
 
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kaungsel

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if I were to get the epik legends, 1 of them would be more than sufficient right? I can only get it thru their website?

I found a Hsu VTF-3 MK3 sub USED from ebay. Should I pull the trigger if I can get it for $400? http://cgi.ebay.com/HSU-VTF-3-MK3-Subwoofer-VTF3-/330511242922?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item4cf40156aa#ht_500wt_1156




The Emotiva Ultra Sub looks very nice so you may want to consider one of those. Epik Legends are also really nice. For sealed budget subs those are the two I'd consider.

For ported I'd look into maybe HSU STF-2 or Lavasub 12" or SVS PB10-NSD.

I'd get a ported for a larger, open room and a sealed for a smaller room that adds gain.

AFAIK the marantz does not have any 3.5mm inputs, which is what most laptops output in the analogue domain. The only thing even close is a 2.5mm input for the setup mic (which I hope you've tried out and used to set some trims) You will likely need a 3.5mm to RCA adaptor of some sort, check www.monoprice.com.

Honestly though laptops are very noisy electronics with poor sound quality. I recommend using it as a digital transport. This can be done in a few ways, the most common being

Optical Digital output (Toslink)
SPDIF
HDMI

This is what I recommend, in that order, at least for 2-channel. for 5 or 7 channel it's HDMI all the way.
 

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