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Ears to you

Junior Audioholic
Hi,

I am brand new to this forum, new to combined music/HT setups, and would welcome any advice you might be able to give me about my recent entre into budget audiophile sound and HT.

After 25 years of living with a ceiling-mounted Bose 901 Series VI system with NAD 3045 amp and NAD 5240 CD player, I have bought and have begun to enjoy a set of B&W 601 S2 speakers. The realistic imaging and clarity that they offer over the Bose is quite a change for me, as is their dramatically reserved sound as compared to the Bose, but the positive incremental change is generally good. I had also picked up a basic HT system at a garage sale of Sound Dynamics RTS3 speakers, Sound Dynamics THS 3000, sub and THC 1 center speaker, a HK AVR, and Pioneer CD player - all for $25! That system is not all that clear, but it at least weened me off of the Bose sound that I had adapted to after so many years. All these new sonic opportunities have whetted my appetite for good clean sound that has lain dormant for many years. but the change has been intriguing and fun.

I've been considering a B&W 608 8" subwoofer for my system, and wonder if anyone has any experience with this sub? I listen to mostly music (jazz, blues, rock, acoustic), but I'm also now assembling a modest but hopefully clean 5.1 surround system. I now have B&W 601 S2 speakers, the B&W CC6S2 center, Sound Dynamic RTS3 rears, Sound Dynamics 10" down-firing sub that is quite boomy, and a Denon 1911 AVR receiver. I also have a modded AR XA turntable with Grace 707 tonearm, Grado Gold cartridge, and about 1000 LPs on my shelf. I will be ordering the new Oppo 93 when it comes out as my player for both DVDs and Cds, so general audio quality is important to me. My apartment living room is 15' by 15', and I have neighbors underneath me and on one side. I know that this 8" side firing sub will clearly not have earth shaking bass, but for my purposes, might it be enough to fill in the bottom end for music and general movies, or is a 10" B&W or other maker's sub a better bet? Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated by this budget-conscious 57 year old guy with reawakening ears. Thanks!
 
GranteedEV

GranteedEV

Audioholic Ninja
Hi, and welcome! I can't help you much on the B&W, as there's a bit of a feeling i've got towards brick and mortar brands overcharging for subwoofers, but I will recommend considering the Rythmik F12 subwoofer. I know the idea of a 12 sounds intimidating, but at low volumes it won't "shake the room" any more than an 8, and more importantly, will have deeper frequency extension (covering pretty much the whole audible spectrum), better dynamics, and a servo-control of distortion. Even a 21" subwoofer can be tamed for quiet listening, so never thing that a sub is too small. The bigger a sub and its motor is, the more easily it can produce low frequency sound (although upper frequencies slowly begin to roll off when you get into 18s and 21s but they're still outside of the operating range.

In general, the audible human spectrum for is around 20hz - around 15,000hz (i can just barely hear 16,000 hz tones but I'm still young!) We can feel/perceive, although not hear, sounds below 20hz, and i'm pretty sure the lowest note on a Pipe Organ comes in at a whopping 16hz! Not sure if you listen to Organ music though, haha! In general, for movies we like extension down to 20hz, and for most music, a sub that can play down to 27hz or so will give you pretty much the whole musical spectrum.

While a ported 8" subwoofer can sometimes extend down to these frequencies at times, it's usually designed moreso for upper bass and may have audible shortcomings - and while I don't know much about the B&W to be decisive, I really doubt it's capable enough in the lower frequencies to really qualify as what I call a "sub"-woofer unless it's use in a room much smaller than yours with dependance on room-gain. Look into 10" subs as a bare minimum, but 12" subs are a worthwhile improvement. Boomyness is often a function of poor design.

Now, if ~850 dollars is high on the budget (i'm not sure what the MSRP of the B&W is supposed to be.. it would help if you would give a rough budget), there's certainly other options to consider. Another suggestion I've got is to pair up two lesser subs as this will improve in-room response smoothness at different seating locations.

The only caveat is that you're buying it based on a 30 day in-home trial period, which some consider to be a "blind buy". I still suggest looking into internet direct subs; the Aperion 8d, 10d, Emotiva Ultra 12, and the Epik Legend. They offer a much better value-to-performance ratio... those subs I named would probably retail for twice their listed prices if sold at a regular store. Those companies have fine customer service and support, so have no concerns on that regard.

Now if your location affects the availability of those internet direct brands, It would help if you would elaborate.

One final suggestion I've got is to take that subwoofer you already own and try changing its in-room placement and level adjustments. It may just be incorporated wrongly.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hi,

I am brand new to this forum, new to combined music/HT setups, and would welcome any advice you might be able to give me about my recent entre into budget audiophile sound and HT.

After 25 years of living with a ceiling-mounted Bose 901 Series VI system with NAD 3045 amp and NAD 5240 CD player, I have bought and have begun to enjoy a set of B&W 601 S2 speakers. The realistic imaging and clarity that they offer over the Bose is quite a change for me, as is their dramatically reserved sound as compared to the Bose, but the positive incremental change is generally good. I had also picked up a basic HT system at a garage sale of Sound Dynamics RTS3 speakers, Sound Dynamics THS 3000, sub and THC 1 center speaker, a HK AVR, and Pioneer CD player - all for $25! That system is not all that clear, but it at least weened me off of the Bose sound that I had adapted to after so many years. All these new sonic opportunities have whetted my appetite for good clean sound that has lain dormant for many years. but the change has been intriguing and fun.

I've been considering a B&W 608 8" subwoofer for my system, and wonder if anyone has any experience with this sub? I listen to mostly music (jazz, blues, rock, acoustic), but I'm also now assembling a modest but hopefully clean 5.1 surround system. I now have B&W 601 S2 speakers, the B&W CC6S2 center, Sound Dynamic RTS3 rears, Sound Dynamics 10" down-firing sub that is quite boomy, and a Denon 1911 AVR receiver. I also have a modded AR XA turntable with Grace 707 tonearm, Grado Gold cartridge, and about 1000 LPs on my shelf. I will be ordering the new Oppo 93 when it comes out as my player for both DVDs and Cds, so general audio quality is important to me. My apartment living room is 15' by 15', and I have neighbors underneath me and on one side. I know that this 8" side firing sub will clearly not have earth shaking bass, but for my purposes, might it be enough to fill in the bottom end for music and general movies, or is a 10" B&W or other maker's sub a better bet? Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated by this budget-conscious 57 year old guy with reawakening ears. Thanks!
Most European subs need giving a wide berth and the ones you are considering are in that category.

Free standing (known as detached) dwellings are in the minority in Europe. Having one, two or more shared walls is the rule. Noise laws are draconian, with a low trigger for confiscation of equipment after complaints to police. So the manufacturers purposely make them wimpy.
 
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Ears to you

Junior Audioholic
Hi GranteedEV and TLS Guy,

Thank you both for your helpful answers. I auditioned the sub at the audio dealer that was selling it, and it was a bit short on visceral bass, although it was tight and musical. I had been reading about Hsu subs, called the company, and decided on a VTF-1. I have just ordered the new Oppo 93 for both CDs and DVDs, so in addition to the Denon 1911 and Music Hall phono preamp that a friend got me at cost recently, I will wait a few months before indulging the urge for improved sound. Lord - give me strength!
 
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