Advice wanted on layout with pics of my upstairs living room...

[etecnifibre]

I have a Pioneer VSX-23TXH, Paradigm ADP190s and a CC290 on the way. Plan on adding a sub and Paradigm Monitor 9s.

The sub will go behind the door in the attic space with the CC290 replacing the old crappy Bose speaker and the Monitors replacing the Cerwins.

I took quite a few pics and marked them so you can get a really good idea of what I am dealing with. The ADP190s are slated to go behind the couch, with the idea of the other marks closer to the TV and on the side wall either being additional ADP190 or 390.

Please let me know what you think and what changes you would make. It's not the best setup for sure, but I think I can make it a fun place to watch a movie. I wish that damn door weren't there.

Also, still not sure on which sub would best compliment the setup I have listed. Any advice is much appreciated.

 

[etecnifibre]

 

[etecnifibre]

Wow, NO ONE?

 

[WaynePflughaupt]

Well, you didn’t make it clear on what you were asking advice on, especially since you said you’d already decided where to put the surrounds. And there seems to be no rhyme or reason to all the marks, especially the ones up next to the main L/R speakers.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

 

[MDS]

I would stick with 5.1 and put one surround on the left wall behind the long couch and the other on the opposite wall from the couch. In other words, one surround as shown in picture 1 of post #2 and one surround as shown in picture 5 of post #2.

If you put two surrounds on each opposing wall as show in the pictures it will be a nightmare to calibrate and I'd think your brain would be totally confused by sound coming from everywhere rather coming from the side/slightly behind you where surround speakers are meant to be placed.

 

[etecnifibre]

Well, you didn’t make it clear on what you were asking advice on, especially since you said you’d already decided where to put the surrounds. And there seems to be no rhyme or reason to all the marks, especially the ones up next to the main L/R speakers.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

"Please let me know what you think and what changes you would make."

I would stick with 5.1 and put one surround on the left wall behind the long couch and the other on the opposite wall from the couch. In other words, one surround as shown in picture 1 of post #2 and one surround as shown in picture 5 of post #2.

If you put two surrounds on each opposing wall as show in the pictures it will be a nightmare to calibrate and I'd think your brain would be totally confused by sound coming from everywhere rather coming from the side/slightly behind you where surround speakers are meant to be placed.

Thanks, MDS.

 

[etecnifibre]

Well, you didn’t make it clear on what you were asking advice on, especially since you said you’d already decided where to put the surrounds. And there seems to be no rhyme or reason to all the marks, especially the ones up next to the main L/R speakers.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt

"Please let me know what you think and what changes you would make." And there are 4 marks, in the same spots, in a variety of pictures. Like I said, wanted to make it clear to those viewing the pics.

I would stick with 5.1 and put one surround on the left wall behind the long couch and the other on the opposite wall from the couch. In other words, one surround as shown in picture 1 of post #2 and one surround as shown in picture 5 of post #2.

If you put two surrounds on each opposing wall as show in the pictures it will be a nightmare to calibrate and I'd think your brain would be totally confused by sound coming from everywhere rather coming from the side/slightly behind you where surround speakers are meant to be placed.

Thanks, MDS.

 

[yepimonfire]

all i can say is i would definitely not place the speakers firing wide-ways into the room but long ways, i had a room literally just like that with the annoying slanted ceiling and it will give you all sorts of bass response issues if they fire width ways into the room.

 

[Alex2507]

How about putting the couch against the knee wall that encloses the stairs and putting the TV across from the knee wall under the slanted ceiling, the surrounds on stands and the rears on either side of the window. Yep, this is the best idea so far. I concur.

 

[Chitown2477]

Using the first picture as a reference and assuming a 5.1 or 5.2 system-

• I would leave the orientation as is..its much better to have the AV on the dimension of the room (assuming an invisible rectangle in your attic space).
• Move the sofa to the right to center it with TV.
• Move the left front speaker to the left to create equal distance from TV of both front speakers.
• For the surrounds, I would get stands and place your speakers on them OR install them down from the ceiling. It is best to put them in their traditional locations which you can do in that room - to the sides of or just behind the seating position. I could be wrong but it sounds like you a planning for some "presence" speakers. If so, I am not accounting for them in this setup.

For the subwoofer, I would consider two Elemental Designs A2-300s or a single A7S-450/A5-350 (or equivalent subs). I would estimate your room at about 3,500 cubic feet just eyeballing the pictures. That's a big room. Two subs would be ideal to give you more balance.

You should also consider some acoustical panels and bass traps (homemade to save money) on the slanted wall and at least some corners.

That can be a nice home theater space/setup! I am envious.

 

[etecnifibre]

Thanks for the responses, guys. Chitown, what about going 6.1? What if I were to use the ADP190's as the surrounds and a single ADP390 directly in the center of the room on the back wall as the surround rear? And I were to use 1 speaker for a rear surround, would I run both the L and R channels into it?

 

[Chitown2477]

Thanks for the responses, guys. Chitown, what about going 6.1? What if I were to use the ADP190's as the surrounds and a single ADP390 directly in the center of the room on the back wall as the surround rear? And I were to use 1 speaker for a rear surround, would I run both the L and R channels into it?

Your AVR is capable of 7.1 so if you just run 6.1 only connect the right speaker of your rear surrounds (see page 20 of your manual - http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Home/VSX-23TXH_OperatingInstructions0512.pdf). A single ADP190 is fine as rear speaker in a 6.1 setting.

I think you have enough room to go 6.1; just get mount it the same as your surrounds and in the center, but rear of the listening position. Space it back about two feet.

I have that same AVR (Best Buy Black Friday 2009). Its a great AVR.

 

[etecnifibre]

Thanks once again. Now just have to get the money to get all this. I'll have the Monitors next Friday, already have the ADP190s and CC on the way, and hopefully get the sub shortly after that. It's been quite a while since I've had a home theater setup, and this one will be way better than anything I've ever had.

Just one more question, since I'm running a single ADP190 in the rear and changing the side locations to my surround, should I run the ADP390's there?

 

[Chitown2477]

The ADP390s as surrounds will be fine.

 

[etecnifibre]

OK, another question. Are the 390's necessary or will I be fine running 3 ADP190's in the rear? It would certainly be easier on the pocketbook.

 

[Chitown2477]

OK, another question. Are the 390's necessary or will I be fine running 3 ADP190's in the rear? It would certainly be easier on the pocketbook.

The ADP190s should be jut fine. Its a matter of how much you want to spend and how much headroom you want. The ADP190s will suit you jut fine, IMO.

 

[etecnifibre]

OK, now a sub question. I've searched here and seen a lot about SVS and the bang for your buck. Most of what people say they have is the Plus model, but I'm seeeing a 1400 dollar price tag with it. What about the 12-NSD from SVS, and how would it compare to a Paradigm Ultracube 10 or DSP3200?

 

[Chitown2477]

OK, now a sub question. I've searched here and seen a lot about SVS and the bang for your buck. Most of what people say they have is the Plus model, but I'm seeeing a 1400 dollar price tag with it. What about the 12-NSD from SVS, and how would it compare to a Paradigm Ultracube 10 or DSP3200?

I have done a lot of research on subs an found that I like value and performance combination of Elemental Designs subs. I have an A3-300 on order now. Plus Elemental Designs has free shipping which saves you $50-100 depending on what you buy and shipping distance. There also no tax outside of Iowa - granted u should claim on your state income tax return (if applicable).

With that said, the SVS PB12-NSD DSP that will be shipping in early 2011 seems like a solid buy. SVS, HSU, Outlaw, JL Audio, Elemental Designs and Velodyne will be recommended the most.

My suggestion is buy the biggest you can afford. I am on my third sub in four years trying to get something cheaper and smaller - (HTIB sub, DefTech ProSub 60, Klipsch Sub 10). The A3-300 should suit me fine for some time.

I suggest posting in the sub forum section for more input

 

[etecnifibre]

I have done a lot of research on subs an found that I like value and performance combination of Elemental Designs subs. I have an A3-300 on order now. Plus Elemental Designs has free shipping which saves you $50-100 depending on what you buy and shipping distance. There also no tax outside of Iowa - granted u should claim on your state income tax return (if applicable).

With that said, the SVS PB12-NSD DSP that will be shipping in early 2011 seems like a solid buy. SVS, HSU, Outlaw, JL Audio, Elemental Designs and Velodyne will be recommended the most.

My suggestion is buy the biggest you can afford. I am on my third sub in four years trying to get something cheaper and smaller - (HTIB sub, DefTech ProSub 60, Klipsch Sub 10). The A3-300 should suit me fine for some time.

I suggest posting in the sub forum section for more input

For me it's not really what I can afford, I will just work a little harder and save up until I can get what I want. I just don't want to spend 2 grand on a sub when it's not needed. And I'd really like to have this system completely together before 2011. After this weekend, the sub is the only component I'll have left.

 

[Chitown2477]

For me it's not really what I can afford, I will just work a little harder and save up until I can get what I want. I just don't want to spend 2 grand on a sub when it's not needed. And I'd really like to have this system completely together before 2011. After this weekend, the sub is the only component I'll have left.

The eD A3-300 is $600 and the eD A2-300 is $450. Very good prices. You can always by a second A2-300 later.