Best Power Conditioner?

dapack69

dapack69

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First off I live in South Korea and have been here for over 2.5 years. I've seen a total of five, yes five lighting storms. So you could say that they are very rare here. Second, 99% of all Koreans live in apartment building built of concrete that have at least 15 floors and four apartments per floor, so I'm pretty sure the buildings are up to specs as I've never witnessed a power surge.

Then there is also the fact I just have Fluorescent bulbs in my apartment and I have no idea if those dim or not.

If you also looked at my earlier statements I said that I wanted a device to plug all my stuff into and get it off the floor as I have real small place and need to use every inche of space I've got. So I know "Many are nothing more than power strip protectors inside a more expensive box. A profit center sold to those who do not read numbers - who all but want to be scammed." Some companies come and go, but others have been in business for over 30 years so there as to be some truth to what they write and sell.
 
dapack69

dapack69

Senior Audioholic
Now your contradicting yourself. Before you stated that the phone line is already protected via code, and now below you list it as a serious threat. Which one is it, are we protected or not via the phone line?

All homes already have a 'whole house' protector on the phone line. Required by code. Installed for free by the telco because effective protector costs so little money (compared to ineffective power strip protectors). Cable connects to earth via a wire. The most common source of surges is AC electric.
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What must you really protect from? A serious threat to appliances - especially those connected to earth ground via telephone and AC electric - is a massive current. The most commonly known version is called lightning. Current so fast that 300 consecutive surges could pass through that circuit breaker or fuse. And that CB / fuse will not even trip / blow. Again numbers that others never learned - who foolishly think a CB or fuse will do hardware protection. Only effective protection from typically destructive anomalies is earthing via one 'whole house' protector.
 
dapack69

dapack69

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Just to add more. You say you watch the light bulbs? You have the lights on during the day and what about when you watch a movie, you have the lights on then as well? You never watch any thing during the dark to get the best possible picture?

Wait a minute. What are we talking about? Your house should be the best on here from safe guarding from spikes and burn outs. I'm sure that you have everything done that you preach about.

So if you have everything done, why would you have to watch the lights to begin with?
 
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jneutron

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Now your contradicting yourself. Before you stated that the phone line is already protected via code, and now below you list it as a serious threat. Which one is it, are we protected or not via the phone line?
You do understand you are arguing with someone who claimed online that DC current does not produce a magnetic field, and he belittled everybody who tried to correct him..

He has also claimed to be an engineer..I leave it to everybody to decide the accuracy of that.

Cheers, John
 
dapack69

dapack69

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You do understand you are arguing with someone who claimed online that DC current does not produce a magnetic field, and he belittled everybody who tried to correct him..

He has also claimed to be an engineer..I leave it to everybody to decide the accuracy of that.

Cheers, John
You've got to be kidding.

To make a magnetic field you take a battery, which I believe is DC, some wire and a nail. Take the wire and wrap it around the nail and then connect the wire to battery. Whoa, I can pickup metal objects.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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westom

Audioholic
Now your contradicting yourself. Before you stated that the phone line is already protected via code, and now below you list it as a serious threat. Which one is it, are we protected or not via the phone line?
Both posts are complementary. If you see a contradiction, then you still did not grasp fundamental concepts posted earlier.

Either energy dissipates outside the building. Or that energy hunts for earth destructively via appliances. All phone lines and cable (North America - may not be required by S Korean codes) have an earthed 'whole house' protector. If you let energy inside, appliances most often damaged are those best connected to earth ground.

Phone line and cable TV earthing means surges are not incoming on those wires. Repeatedly stated, if any wire is not earthed before entering the building, than all protection is compromised. If you let energy inside a building, then effective protection on telephone and cable TV is completely compromised.

Protection means no energy inside the building. Best protectors on telephone and cable TV is the short connection to single point ground. Surges earthed before entering a building. Only way to find contradiction is to not understand what is always required. Every incoming wire earthed. Either energy dissipates harmlessly outside the building. Or energy hunting for earth destructively via appliances. If energy is inside a building, then nothing will stop that hunt. Best protection in the world on phone lines is also a destructive path to earth if you did not properly earth ‘every’ incoming wire to single point earth ground.

Code says nothing about surge protection. Code only defines human safety. To have transistor safety, you must meet code and exceed code. Essential to transistor safety includes something not required by code – a less than 3 meter connection to single point earth ground.

Surges are not just lightning. Surges large enough to harm appliances typically occur about once every seven years. A number that can vary significantly even in the same town. Even geology affects that number. A decade of local history would better define the threat. If you do not need a 'whole house' protector, then you need no protectors. IOW a $3 or $5 power strip with many plugs and the ‘always required’ circuit breaker is a superior solution.
 
dapack69

dapack69

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Surges are not just lightning. Surges large enough to harm appliances typically occur about once every seven years. A number that can vary significantly even in the same town. Even geology affects that number. A decade of local history would better define the threat. If you do not need a 'whole house' protector, then you need no protectors. IOW a $3 or $5 power strip with many plugs and the ‘always required’ circuit breaker is a superior solution.
I'm sure that you've done your homework with the geology in the area your currently living in, along with the history of it. Could you please post your findings here what you have found. The seven years you came up with I'm sure is from your studies. I would really like to see your results upon how you came up with this number.
 
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westom

Audioholic
Correct me if I'm wrong.
No. You are not wrong. And what I said agrees with you. But I misspoke in an earlier post. Corrected that mistake later. Since his posts are only to insult and disparage (not based in technical reality), jneutron will post what he wants you to believe - not reality. Posting lies actually got you to believe his stupidity? Posting insults in the tradition of Rush Limbaugh works on those most easily deceived. Is ignored by those who learn instead from facts and numbers. Who also know those posting insults must be a liar or an uneducated politician.

With basic knowledge, then he posted manufacturer numeric specs that claim surge protection. He cannot. Protection numbers do not exist. His education is from retail sales brochures - where lying is legal and profitable. And where duplicity and ridicule can promote profitable scams and inflated egos.
 
bandphan

bandphan

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too much time on someones hands :D posting from prison is fun.. btw dont mail me anything westom:eek::D

 
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jneutron

Senior Audioholic
No. You are not wrong. And what I said agrees with you. But I misspoke in an earlier post. Corrected that mistake later. Since his posts are only to insult and disparage (not based in technical reality), jneutron will post what he wants you to believe - not reality.
Really??

Well, let's review reality, that being your post...

Posted by Westom, on May 5, 2010, at 5:17PM on avsforum:

And I quote:

""No magnetic field exists with DC current. A magnetic field only exists with AC current. Magnetic field only exists when current going equally in both directions. With EE training, you should have also known that.""

Here's the link for everyone to reference...edit: it is post #44.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1247118&page=2

So Westom, that was ""misspoke""??? Any fourth grader who took science knows this is incorrect.. And NOW you are claiming that YOU are an engineer??

You are a wannabe..you are a very poor pretender who can only cut and paste..

Cheers, John
 
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bandphan

bandphan

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to the op sorry for the train wreck..(westom thanks for ruining another thread, say bye it will be your last) search the general forum, it will yield hours of reading:) The products I linked are only an example of protection. Just follow the advice that has been posted by other (with the 1 exception) to have the electrical checked out and you should be ok. Im in the lighting capital of the USA and have never had an issue, but surges and browns are something to be concerned about and are NOT normal by any means:)
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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Wow - **** is really flying here. I didn't think I'd get such passionate responses just asking about surges and brown outs.

A friend suggested this unit might be good for the surges. Has anyone had any experience with them or could offer others. I love the advice - but suggestions on gear itself would also be super helpful. :D


Monster HDP 1800 : http://www.amazon.com/Monster-HDP-1800-8-Outlet-Center/dp/B001CBPWT0
I get headaches from these surge threads.:(:rolleyes: I can't bare to read the whole thing, and I'll just post the following:

Let's slow down and start form the beginning.

First, ask your landlord what he means and why these surges are happening.
If he can't answer, insist he call the power company. (Or you call them)
They own the wire from the pole/transformer to your meter. This could be a transformer problem, or a problem with their feed wire.
Is the conduit from the weather head to the meter, metal or PVC?
 
picture_shooter

picture_shooter

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This one time at band camp I got a key.... and then I poked the electric socket with it and then I umm got shocked! and I ummm was totally earth grounded and then.................. ;)
 
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westom

Audioholic
First, ask your landlord what he means and why these surges are happening.
If he can't answer, insist he call the power company. (Or you call them)
They own the wire from the pole/transformer to your meter.
Everything you need from the electric company is defined by an incandescent light bulb. Does it brighten or dim as major appliances power cycle? If not, the AC utility has is not causing surges. The wire from transformer to house is just fine.

Then do one thing more. Inspect their transformer earth ground:
http://www.tvtower.com/fpl.html

Either learn simple stuff from the engineer. Ignore hyperbolic myths from big red letter jneutron. Or spend massively on retail scams.

There is no other solution to surge protection. Every protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Either hundreds of thousands of joules (and lesser surges) dissipate harmlessly outside the building. Or nothing inside averts a destructive hunt for earth ground. That simple as it was over 100 years ago. Either energy dissipates harmlessly outside the building in earth. Or you have no effective protection.

Every cable connects short (ie 'less than 10 feet') to single point earth ground either by wire or via a 'whole house' protector. In every facility that can never have surges - ie munitions dumps - that is always done - no exceptions. Either a protector (about $1 per protected appliance) connects short to earth. Or it only protects from surges that typically cause no damage. That simple.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

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Everything you need from the electric company is defined by an incandescent light bulb.
He doesn't have an incandescent light bulb. So please put a lid on it already.
He has some other problems that even you don't yet grasp but he did get some very good info from some very knowledgeable members here at AH
 
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jneutron

Senior Audioholic
Either learn simple stuff from the engineer.
My goodness, you're clearly not referring to you, no? You are not an engineer. (I know red is your favorite color) While you pretend to be one, you are not. Luckily, you are so ignorant of actual electrical engineering theory and application, that even laymen understand and do not make the mistake of believing you.

Ignore hyperbolic myths from big red letter jneutron.
So, they are supposed to believe YOU?? YOU claimed that DC current does not produce magnetic field..only AC current.

You have a looney tunes outlook on lightning, surges, and current.. You remind me of Marvin the Martian..

Cheers, John
 
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