Audyssey Setup - problematic results

[ericxv]

Using a Onkyo TX-SR 607 I ran Audyssey setup a few times and came out with the same results. I'd simply like to gather some opinions about these results and my settings as I find the results sound poor and now my receiver is occasionally shutting itself off.

Front - results showed Full, but I changed to 90hz
Center - results showed Full, but I changed to 90hz
Distance - all front speakers show 12'
Sub - 16'

Front Left = -7 dB
Front Right = +5 dB
Center = -10 dB
Sub = -1 dB

I'm especially concerned with these dB settings. The Front Right seems to overpower the sound from the Front Left. Also, using these settings, the receiver has shut off a few times for no apparent reason. Prior to running the Audyssey setup, everything was set to 0 dB, I had no such issues.

I recently replaced my existing front and center speakers (with those listed my signature), hence my running the setup again. I made the above changes to the fronts and center knowing what little I do about such settings. Again, any information and/or opinion is greatly appreciated.


Eric

 

[bandphan]

Check your connections to make sure 1 speaker isn't out of phase. And if you have an spl meter (which is well worth the investment) you can see if it is a problem the processor.

 

[highfigh]

Using a Onkyo TX-SR 607 I ran Audyssey setup a few times and came out with the same results. I'd simply like to gather some opinions about these results and my settings as I find the results sound poor and now my receiver is occasionally shutting itself off.

Front - results showed Full, but I changed to 90hz
Center - results showed Full, but I changed to 90hz
Distance - all front speakers show 12'
Sub - 16'

Front Left = -7 dB
Front Right = +5 dB
Center = -10 dB
Sub = -1 dB

I'm especially concerned with these dB settings. The Front Right seems to overpower the sound from the Front Left. Also, using these settings, the receiver has shut off a few times for no apparent reason. Prior to running the Audyssey setup, everything was set to 0 dB, I had no such issues.

I recently replaced my existing front and center speakers (with those listed my signature), hence my running the setup again. I made the above changes to the fronts and center knowing what little I do about such settings. Again, any information and/or opinion is greatly appreciated.


Eric

If the receiver is shutting off, I would bet that the right front speaker has an impedance dip that the receiver doesn't like, possibly due to a crossover issue. That would also possibly explain the reason it needs to be 12dB higher than the left front. Also, check the speaker wire where it goes into the speaker terminal on that side.

 

[ericxv]

If the receiver is shutting off, I would bet that the right front speaker has an impedance dip that the receiver doesn't like, possibly due to a crossover issue. That would also possibly explain the reason it needs to be 12dB higher than the left front. Also, check the speaker wire where it goes into the speaker terminal on that side.

Thanks for the advice. I guess I don't understand why this issue would have started after running the Setup, since it was not an issue before that. I did move the speakers out from the wall a few inches, so perhaps I dislodged or damaged the speaker wire during that process? At first glance the speaker wire looks okay, but I'll disconnect and reconnect it all.

Thanks again. I'll update my findings ASAP.



Eric

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

What helped me a lot is "official" Audyssey guide below, just follow it to the letter.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895

 

[ericxv]

What helped me a lot is "official" Audyssey guide below, just follow it to the letter.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895

Thank you for the guidance and guide!

I found that one of the right speaker wires was coming loose and touching the other wire. Once I addressed that, and re-ran the Setup, the results were much improved:

Front Left = -8 dB
Front Right = -9 dB
Center = -11 dB
Sub = +1 dB

Now, as far as the Front and Center speakers showing as "Full" is it okay that I changed those to 90hz? Perhaps another setting such as 100hz is recommended? My sub is pretty pathetic, so any ideas / thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks again,

Eric

 

[bandphan]

It is normal for auto setups to set speakers to large or full. Just adjust the crossover to the appropriate setting.

 

[ericxv]

It is normal for auto setups to set speakers to large or full. Just adjust the crossover to the appropriate setting.

I read the guide you provided, but I'm confused about the crossover settings. The guide indicated, ..."3. Audyssey recommends that all speakers be set to “Small” (i.e. not Full Band) by selecting a crossover frequency. This will re-direct the frequencies below the crossover point to the subwoofer, resulting in improved headroom for the main amplifier and 8x higher MultEQ filter resolution in the subwoofer channel (e.g. flatter bass).
a. Setting the speakers to “Small” with a 60 Hz – 80 Hz crossover is a good starting point, assuming the post-calibration crossover setting is 60 Hz or lower.

I change my setting from "full" to "90 hz" but perhaps that's wrong based on the above info? Perhaps, they should it be in the 60 hz to 80 hz range?


Thanks,

Eric

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I read the guide you provided, but I'm confused about the crossover settings. The guide indicated, ..."3. Audyssey recommends that all speakers be set to “Small” (i.e. not Full Band) by selecting a crossover frequency. This will re-direct the frequencies below the crossover point to the subwoofer, resulting in improved headroom for the main amplifier and 8x higher MultEQ filter resolution in the subwoofer channel (e.g. flatter bass).
a. Setting the speakers to “Small” with a 60 Hz – 80 Hz crossover is a good starting point, assuming the post-calibration crossover setting is 60 Hz or lower.

I change my setting from "full" to "90 hz" but perhaps that's wrong based on the above info? Perhaps, they should it be in the 60 hz to 80 hz range?


Thanks,

Eric

You did it right. Audyssey will set most large speakers to 'large' but still set the crossover. Change them to 'small' and it is ok to raise the crossover point but never lower it more than what Audyssey sets it at.

 

[ericxv]

You did it right. Audyssey will set most large speakers to 'large' but still set the crossover. Change them to 'small' and it is ok to raise the crossover point but never lower it more than what Audyssey sets it at.

Thanks for the information. When I try to manually set the crossover, my choices are "full" (what the setup provided) and then I have several choices of 40 hz through 200 hz. I did not see an option for "small".

Currently, I have it set to "90 hz" for the Fronts and Center.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Thanks for the information. When I try to manually set the crossover, my choices are "full" (what the setup provided) and then I have several choices of 40 hz through 200 hz. I did not see an option for "small".

Currently, I have it set to "90 hz" for the Fronts and Center.

Anytime you set a crossover point with an Onkyo then they are set to "small".

The frequency response for your speakers is rated at: 46Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB so 80 or 90hz crossover should be fine.

look through here and maybe you can learn more about your AVR:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1136584&highlight=onkyo+tx+sr+607

 

[ericxv]

Anytime you set a crossover point with an Onkyo then they are set to "small".

The frequency response for your speakers is rated at: 46Hz - 20kHz +/- 3dB so 80 or 90hz crossover should be fine.

look through here and maybe you can learn more about your AVR:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1136584&highlight=onkyo+tx+sr+607

Okay, I understand. I'll see how they compare at 80 or 90.

I'll also read that link for info regarding my receiver

Thanks again!


Eric

 

[PENG]

Front Left = -8 dB
Front Right = -9 dB
Center = -11 dB
Sub = +1 dB

My sub is pretty pathetic, so any ideas / thoughts are appreciated.

Eric

Your sub output seems low. Did you adjust its gain to about half, that is, 12:00 position? You may want to move it around a little and settle on a location that get you more output and then run Audyssesy setup again.

 

[picture_shooter]

Are you at least doing the 6-stages of seating positions when Audyssey is configuring? I know I cut myself short when I did only 3-4 positions. It was odd on my Denon because it would set all 3-speakers to small and highest cut off was 60hz and that was on the center. When I did the 6-stages, it changed a bunch of settings and made my HT life much nicer

Cheers

 

[ericxv]

Your sub output seems low. Did you adjust its gain to about half, that is, 12:00 position? You may want to move it around a little and settle on a location that get you more output and then run Audyssesy setup again.

Thanks for the advice. I'll try moving the sub and also confirm the gain is set correctly before I run Audyssey again.


-e.

 

[ericxv]

Are you at least doing the 6-stages of seating positions when Audyssey is configuring? I know I cut myself short when I did only 3-4 positions. It was odd on my Denon because it would set all 3-speakers to small and highest cut off was 60hz and that was on the center. When I did the 6-stages, it changed a bunch of settings and made my HT life much nicer

Cheers

With my Receiver, I only have 3 positions. There is no option for more positions, at least not that I'm aware of.