Atkins diet increases mortality (i.e., you will likely die sooner with it).

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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
lol i've avoided that diet since it came out, the way you have to eat on it is extremely unhealthy. the only "fad" diet that makes any sense is a low-fat diet, seeing as too many fats are bad for you and fats generally contain a large amount of calories. carbohydrates are the body's basic fuel, all things you eat end up being converted into it some way or another. i remember watching a late show episode where some guy was talking about atkins and how much butter and meat he ate on it and his heart exploded while he was talking, it was funny but too close to the truth, i'll see if i can find the video.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
lol i've avoided that diet since it came out, the way you have to eat on it is extremely unhealthy. the only "fad" diet that makes any sense is a low-fat diet, seeing as too many fats are bad for you and fats generally contain a large amount of calories. carbohydrates are the body's basic fuel, all things you eat end up being converted into it some way or another. i remember watching a late show episode where some guy was talking about atkins and how much butter and meat he ate on it and his heart exploded while he was talking, it was funny but too close to the truth, i'll see if i can find the video.
Atkins' heart didn't explode while he was talking, he died after falling.

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/atkinsdiet/a/dratkinsdeath.htm
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
no it was a joke on the late show and some guy was going on about how much meat sauteed in butter he could eat.
 
m-fine

m-fine

Audioholic
There is no way they had 130,000 who followed the Atkins diet for 26 years. There is a shitload more to what Atkins wrote than "eat less carbs" and he specifically warned about risks of partially following the diet.

Further, any diet has health risks. I can tell you from family experience, a very low fat diet can have serious risks that can lead to life long health problems. Diet at your own risk.
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Who would have ever thought that a diet of bacon and cheese could hurt anyone?!:eek:
 
Stereodude

Stereodude

Senior Audioholic
Well, if you're on the Atkins diet do you really want to live a long time with those restrictions on your food intake? :p
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
It sounded like a fun diet till they got to the NO BREAD part.

NO BREAD?!
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
If you do the Atkins diet you have a choice in how much fatty foods you eat. If you eat low carb food like chicken and fish instead of pork and eggs I think you will be fine. You don't have to eat high fat food to follow the diet it is your choice.
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
When I was first diagnosed with Diabetes, I had to meet with several nutritionists. Each of them went out of their way to tell me not do use the Atkins diet. “It may seem to fit your needs, but will do more harm than good in the long run.”
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
Don't you find it interesting, that in the article from the Huffington Post, which links to the abstract in this study has as one of its authors, F.B. Wu, MD of Harvard who also was involved in another study, Low-Carbohydrate-Diet Score and the Risk of Coronary Heart Disease in Women which offered as its conclusion,

Our findings suggest that diets lower in carbohydrate and higher in protein and fat are not associated with increased risk of coronary heart disease in women. When vegetable sources of fat and protein are chosen, these diets may moderately reduce the risk of coronary heart disease.
This suggest to me that Chris Rock had it right when he said it's not the red meat that'll kill you, it's the green meat.
 
m-fine

m-fine

Audioholic
Exactly Chu, there is nothing even remotely scientific about these studies or the Huffington reporting of the so called results. It is all about sensationalism and money. Put "Die" in a headline with a famous name or two and you are golden.

Didn't people learn from the past mistakes? Remember margarine used to be better than butter until they found out that actually butter was far healthier and the margarine with transfers ended up pulled from the market there were so bad? Or how about the latest that red meat is actually looking to have no increased risks, and it is processed meats with salts and other chemicals added that cause the problems. Now high fructose corn syrup is a killer, but cane sugar not so much. Gee I can't wait for the next study so I can radically change my lifestyle again.
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Like in the Woody Allen movie "Sleeper" from 1973?
Owner of the Happy Carrot Health Food Store in New York awakens from cryogenic freeze in the year 2173 to find that Health food is now fudge and steaks.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Exactly Chu, there is nothing even remotely scientific about these studies or the Huffington reporting of the so called results. It is all about sensationalism and money. Put "Die" in a headline with a famous name or two and you are golden.

Didn't people learn from the past mistakes? Remember margarine used to be better than butter until they found out that actually butter was far healthier and the margarine with transfers ended up pulled from the market there were so bad? Or how about the latest that red meat is actually looking to have no increased risks, and it is processed meats with salts and other chemicals added that cause the problems. Now high fructose corn syrup is a killer, but cane sugar not so much. Gee I can't wait for the next study so I can radically change my lifestyle again.
You are not accurately representing things at all. For example, with butter and margarine, neither has ever been regarded as health food by modern mainstream experts. It is a question of which is worse, and it turns out that each one is worse than the other in some ways. That is, there are some bad aspects of butter that are not in margarine, and there are some bad aspects of margarine that are not in butter. Even that is not complete, as not all margarines are made the same (just compare lists of ingredients at your local supermarket for a start).

In the case of sugar and corn sweetener, again, neither one has ever been regarded as health food by modern mainstream experts. There has been some suggestion lately that corn sweetener may be worse for you, but that does not mean that sugar is magically now okay and that you should eat piles of it with every meal. Both add calories, and neither one tends to have much nutritional value, so they are, at best, "empty calories", and at worst, one or both might do something more.

With meats, they are now thinking that processed meats are typically worse for you than fresh meat. But that does not alter the fact that vegetarians, on average, live longer than meat eaters, and that vegans live longer than vegetarians who eat eggs and dairy. That would seem to suggest that animal products are not healthy in the long run, though maybe it is just God smiting animal eaters more on a whim to confuse people.

Of course, if one does things in moderation, one is likely to avoid the worst possible effects of any particular substance, but that does not mean that they won't do some harm. And moderation isn't what the Atkins diet is about.
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
You're right, Pyrrho, the Atkins Diet is not about moderation. It also bears notice that the link in the Huffington Post article is not about the Atkins Diet other than by inference. Certainly, food was not provided to all the participants for 20 years. Also consider that one of the authors, was part of a similar study whose results contradict the one in the Huffington Post.
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
You're right, Pyrrho, the Atkins Diet is not about moderation. It also bears notice that the link in the Huffington Post article is not about the Atkins Diet other than by inference. Certainly, food was not provided to all the participants for 20 years. Also consider that one of the authors, was part of a similar study whose results contradict the one in the Huffington Post.

You seem to be misreading the quote you provided. Here is your earlier post again:


Don't you find it interesting, that in the article from the Huffington Post, which links to the abstract in this study has as one of its authors, F.B. Wu, MD of Harvard who also was involved in another study, Low-Carbohydrate-Diet Score and the Risk of Coronary Heart Disease in Women which offered as its conclusion,

Our findings suggest that diets lower in carbohydrate and higher in protein and fat are not associated with increased risk of coronary heart disease in women. When vegetable sources of fat and protein are chosen, these diets may moderately reduce the risk of coronary heart disease.
This suggest to me that Chris Rock had it right when he said it's not the red meat that'll kill you, it's the green meat.

If a particular diet will "moderately reduce the risk of coronary heart disease", and if it has no ill effects (which obviously more would need to be said about that*), then that means that it is healthier than whatever it was compared with. In other words, vegetable sources of fat and protein appear to be healthier than animal sources of fat and protein, which is a pretty mainstream idea (though, of course, vegetable sources of fat and protein can be processed in a way that is unhealthy, as, for example, is typically done with most margarine). And it is very much counter to Atkins' suggestions.

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*Just because something does not increase the risk of coronary heart disease in women, that does not mean that it will not have any other ill effects. So the study to which you refer does not show that the Atkins diet is as healthy as a normal diet (not that what Americans normally eat is healthy), only that it did not appear to increase the risk of coronary heart disease in women. There are many other health problems that people can have other than coronary heart disease, and they may, or may not, be increased by following the Atkins diet; they would have to be individually studied to find out. And who knows, maybe it would increase the risk of coronary heart disease in men; in order to know about that, it would need to be studied.

The upshot is, there is no contradiction, contrary to your claim. The Atkins diet may not increase the risk of coronary heart disease in women and still be unhealthy and lead to a shorter life.
 
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Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
If that's the case, then why does the first study find an increase in cardiovascular mortality while the second one says no?
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
If you believe that a low carb diet will kill you then Al Gore wants to sell you some carbon credits to save the world from global warming....;):D:D
 
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James NM

Audioholic
I always thought the Atkins diet made a lot of sense.

Bowl of lard .... Good
Fresh apple ..... Bad
 
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