Will this signal the open season for American ships off Somalia?

M

markw

Audioholic Overlord
"(AP) A judge on Tuesday dismissed piracy charges against six Somali nationals accused of attacking a Navy ship off the coast of Africa, concluding the U.S. government failed to make the case their alleged actions amounted to piracy.

The dismissal of the piracy count by U.S. District Judge Raymond A. Jackson tosses the most serious charge against the men, but leaves intact seven other charges related to the alleged April 10 attack on the USS Ashland in the Gulf of Aden. A piracy conviction carries a mandatory life term.

"The court finds that the government has failed to establish that any unauthorized acts of violence or aggression committed on the high seas constitutes piracy as defined by the law of nations," Jackson wrote in granting the defense motion to dismiss."

Link here

Now, this brings up the question "What IS the definition of piracy?"

That seems to be a fairly nebulous term but I think the following text pretty much sums it up:

"Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal acts of violence, detention, rape, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft. Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state, in fact piracy has been the first example of universal jurisdiction. Nevertheless today the international community is facing many problems in bringing pirates to justice."

Link here.

Well now, let's see what happened that caused these poor souls to wind up living in luxury on our dime.

"USS ASHLAND, Gulf of Aden (NNS) -- At approximately 5:00 a.m. local time April 10, USS Ashland (LSD 48), was fired upon by a skiff manned by suspected pirates in the Gulf of Aden, approximately 330 nautical miles off the coast of Djibouti.

During the attack, Ashland received small arms fire on the port side from the six man crew of suspected pirates aboard the skiff. Ashland, in accordance with her rules of engagement, returned fire."

Link here.

They SHOT at the effen' ship? Well, apparently they TRIED to pirate the ship but failed. Could this be what the judge had in mind when he dropped the piracy charges? Isn't that like dropping murder charges because the perp didn't succeed? Isn't there a substantial penalty for even trying?

But, I see our biggest mistake in the next two sentences in that same article.

"USS Ashland fired two rounds at the skiff from her MK-38 Mod 2, 25mm gun. The skiff caught fire and the suspected pirates abandoned the skiff. Ashland deployed her rigid-hull inflatable boats (RHIBs) to assist the pirates who were in the water near their skiff."

Well, actually the only mistake I see is the second sentence.

We should have let 'em swim back to shore and simply said the incident never happened.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Yes, open season on pirates :) If they aren't going to be held accountable, why bring them in?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
...

We should have let 'em swim back to shore and simply said the incident never happened.
Yes, agreed but too many witnesses; some would have talked. Cover ups are killers.
 
C

Chu Gai

Audioholic Samurai
I wonder if there are rules for engagement that preclude the use of more lethal force when firing back?
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
"USS Ashland fired two rounds at the skiff from her MK-38 Mod 2, 25mm gun. The skiff caught fire and the suspected pirates abandoned the skiff. Ashland deployed her rigid-hull inflatable boats (RHIBs) to assist the pirates who were in the water near their skiff."

Well, actually the only mistake I see is the second sentence.

We should have let 'em swim back to shore and simply said the incident never happened.
I think they should have tossed a life PFD made of meat.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
screw the piracy charge. how about consider being fired upon as an act of war.
 
G

Gizmologist

Junior Audioholic
Sounds like time to fire up the Aegis

3,000 rounds a minute would have cleaned the scum from the ocean and made a nice meal of chum for the fishies.

Just tell the guys in the shipboard defense control they are playing a game of wack-a-mole on the high seas.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
screw the piracy charge. how about consider being fired upon as an act of war.
I may be wrong, but to be considered an act of war, it would have to be committed by an agency of a sovereign government - like the military, coast guard, police, etc.

As Mark's post stated it's piracy if it's: "...for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft..."
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
3,000 rounds a minute would have cleaned the scum from the ocean and made a nice meal of chum for the fishies.

Just tell the guys in the shipboard defense control they are playing a game of wack-a-mole on the high seas.
Do you mean the "Phalanx"...?
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
How about 4 mini-guns on each side and a spare on the stern and bow?

As far as I'm concerned, if someone shoots at another ship on international water, they should expect to have their asss handed to them without the original target being prosecuted.

This is like having someone attempt a carjacking with gunfire, using another car as a way to catch the target, and the judge decides that it wasn't an attempted carjacking because the intended victim got away.

It's time that we stop taking prisoners in situations like these. They're using OUR RPGs to attack us- why can't we use OUR RPGs to defend ourselves?
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
I dunno - I think they should've been charged with "stupidity on the high seas", for attacking a warship. What could they possibly have been thinking?

The captain displayed remarkable restraint in having fired only 2 rounds back. He could've said "just hold the fire button down until I get back from the head, or all rounds have been expended - whichever comes first..."
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Firing on a warship? Wouldn’t that qualify any non-survivors for the Darwin Awards? Maybe even honorable mention for anyone left alive?
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
Well, apparently they TRIED to pirate the ship but failed. Could this be what the judge had in mind when he dropped the piracy charges? Isn't that like dropping murder charges because the perp didn't succeed? Isn't there a substantial penalty for even trying?
Yes, it's called Attempted Murder. Maybe there should be an Attempted Piracy charge in this case, but letter of the law has to be applied.

Firing on a warship? Wouldn’t that qualify any non-survivors for the Darwin Awards? Maybe even honorable mention for anyone left alive?
My thoughts exactly. :)

I dunno - I think they should've been charged with "stupidity on the high seas", for attacking a warship. What could they possibly have been thinking?

The captain displayed remarkable restraint in having fired only 2 rounds back. He could've said "just hold the fire button down until I get back from the head, or all rounds have been expended - whichever comes first..."
Thinking? I don't believe the use of reasoning or logic occured when that decision was made.

He displayed way more restraint than I think anyone else, including myself, would have wanted to. It would have went something like this:

"Fire till you see nothing moving!"
"Sir, they're hamburger, they're not moving!"
"I SEE THEM BOBBING UP AND DOWN! OPEN FIRE!"
"Sir, it's our wake causing that!"
"I SAID OPEN FIRE!" :D
 
Tarub

Tarub

Senior Audioholic
The reason they hated US.

South Beach, Florida (East Coast)



Eyl, Somalia(Puntland Coast)
 
G

Gizmologist

Junior Audioholic
Yes

I meant Phalanx, but any weapons system on a ship needs some live firing to make sure it is in working order, so take your pick. Remember chum is easier for fish to eat rather than catching something.

Captains log: "nothing much happened today, just found some flotsam and dispatched same."
 

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