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krum

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Can someone tell me in detail the purpose of a AV?

Buying a AV seems pointless to me, but I think its because I don't understand the true reason of owning one. Most TV's today, will accept multiple inputs, so that kills that reason of owning one. The DVD/Blueray player does the decoding of the video and audio, so why have a AV? On a side question, how do you get the AV to decode the data? If you plug the player into the AV, wouldn't the player be sending the already decoded data it has done its self from the disc?

Just seems crazy how $$ some of the AV's are, and I can't see the purpose of even a cheap one. If you buy a decent DVD/blueray player they normally come with any highend codec needed to decode the high quality sound and video. Thanks in advance for explaining to me! :)
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
Uh.....I think you are referring to an AVR (Audio Video Receiver) or receiver correct? If so there are many many reasons......first and foremost using dedicated stand alone speakers for the audio output as apposed to the TV speakers is like leaving Courtney Love to spoon with Beyonce....
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Can someone tell me in detail the purpose of a AV?

Buying a AV seems pointless to me, but I think its because I don't understand the true reason of owning one. Most TV's today, will accept multiple inputs, so that kills that reason of owning one. The DVD/Blueray player does the decoding of the video and audio, so why have a AV? On a side question, how do you get the AV to decode the data? If you plug the player into the AV, wouldn't the player be sending the already decoded data it has done its self from the disc?

Just seems crazy how $$ some of the AV's are, and I can't see the purpose of even a cheap one. If you buy a decent DVD/blueray player they normally come with any highend codec needed to decode the high quality sound and video. Thanks in advance for explaining to me! :)
The AV is the control center of one's HT setup... It provides amplification, video switching and upscaling in one tidy package. What you said is partially incorrect. You can get buy without an AV receiver from a video perspective but you will not be able to enjoy surround sound with the latest audio codecs and deep thunderous bass without one. Display/TV can't decode the codecs and their speakers just don't surround sound properly, even if its simulated.
 
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krum

Enthusiast
The AV is the control center of one's HT setup... It provides amplification, video switching and upscaling in one tidy package. What you said is partially incorrect. You can get buy without an AV receiver from a video perspective but you will not be able to enjoy surround sound with the latest audio codecs and deep thunderous bass without one. Display/TV can't decode the codecs and their speakers just don't surround sound properly, even if its simulated.
Ah k, that makes sense. But what if you take the sound output (like optical)on the player and connect that to a aftermarket speaker set, to bypass the tv speakers? And doesn't the player decode the sound, not the tv? Like I said before, I'm not sure 100% how these things work, which is why I'm asking. :p Thanks for responding!
 
son-yah-tive

son-yah-tive

Full Audioholic
If you just look for sound thru the TV, then I wouldn't even worry about a Blu Ray, just get a cheapy DVD Player from Wal-mart. I have to have GREAT SOUND and Video, or it isn't worth it.
 
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krum

Enthusiast
son-yah-tive,

Well you still get video quality from the blueray :). But like I asked 3db up above, "But what if you take the sound output (like optical) on the player and connect that to a aftermarket speaker set, to bypass the tv speakers? And doesn't the player decode the sound, not the tv? Like I said before, I'm not sure 100% how these things work, which is why I'm asking. :p Thanks for responding!"
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Ah k, that makes sense. But what if you take the sound output (like optical)on the player and connect that to a aftermarket speaker set, to bypass the tv speakers? And doesn't the player decode the sound, not the tv? Like I said before, I'm not sure 100% how these things work, which is why I'm asking. :p Thanks for responding!
I don't know where on the speaker you would connect the optical cable :confused:
Hence the AVR Receiver has the optical input where you would plug in said connector , speaker output to the speakers via speaker wire , the AVR supplies the needed power (amplification) as well where as your blu ray does not.
 
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krum

Enthusiast
Sawzalot,

Got it. I'm a nub on this stuff, as you can tell. Didn't realize the good aftermarket speakers didn't have input for optical. But if you did some how connect to the aftermarket speaker with the player, what would the difference be without having the amplification as you say?
 
son-yah-tive

son-yah-tive

Full Audioholic
son-yah-tive,

Well you still get video quality from the blueray :). But like I asked 3db up above, "But what if you take the sound output (like optical) on the player and connect that to a aftermarket speaker set, to bypass the tv speakers? And doesn't the player decode the sound, not the tv? Like I said before, I'm not sure 100% how these things work, which is why I'm asking. :p Thanks for responding!"
The sound will not be of HIGH quality without POWER from outside the source. Receivers or Seperates deliver the high quality sound you need. That's why I brought up a cheapy dvd player, if the sound wasn't going to be that good, the picture won't matter much. Besides you need the optical cable to go somewhere too.
 
K

krum

Enthusiast
Alright, so I can see the purpose of the AV now. Does make sense to own one for the sound quality. Though it really doesn't do anything for video, correct? Can you explain the difference of a $200 AV compared to ones that are $2000+?

Also, how does the AV work? As in, when the player sends the data to it, I figured it would already be decoded by the player, so the AV has nothing to decode. Or is there an option within the player to shut off its decoding and just send the data raw?

Thanks again! :D
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Ah k, that makes sense. But what if you take the sound output (like optical)on the player and connect that to a aftermarket speaker set, to bypass the tv speakers? And doesn't the player decode the sound, not the tv? Like I said before, I'm not sure 100% how these things work, which is why I'm asking. :p Thanks for responding!
Only a few BluRay players decode to multichannel analog out and even then you would still need a multichannel amplfier to drive/power the speakers. The TV does no audio decoding whatsoever. Hope this helps.


Take a read through this. It may explain it better than I have the time to do.

http://communication.howstuffworks.com/fiber-optic-communications/home-theater4.htm

and this....

http://hometheater.about.com/od/audiocomponents/bb/bybaavreceiver.htm
 
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sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
The sound will not be of HIGH quality without POWER from outside the source. Receivers or Seperates deliver the high quality sound you need. That's why I brought up a cheapy dvd player, if the sound wasn't going to be that good, the picture won't matter much. Besides you need the optical cable to go somewhere too.
Would there be any sound at all? I did not think it was possible, how could you plug speakers in to an everyday blu ray player ? I 'm not feeling it, ya know what I mean, please fill me in as I am interested in that approach.
* I just don't think there will be any sound at all without some amp power.
 
son-yah-tive

son-yah-tive

Full Audioholic
Alright, so I can see the purpose of the AV now. Does make sense to own one for the sound quality. Though it really doesn't do anything for video, correct? Can you explain the difference of a $200 AV compared to ones that are $2000+?

Also, how does the AV work? As in, when the player sends the data to it, I figured it would already be decoded by the player, so the AV has nothing to decode. Or is there an option within the player to shut off its decoding and just send the data raw?

Thanks again! :D
The difference between 200 and 2,000 dollars are many. Power output, construction quality, features. Depends on how far you're willing to go for in your FACE sound. Now when it comes to HDMI hookups, that's where all your new formats DTS Master Audio, Dolby True Audio goes through. Optical cable will deliver Dolby digital, but not the new formats. You need to keep looking at all the products out there in your price range and learn from this site about other important things you'll need to learn. There is already a LOT of info on this site that will guide you. Just educate yourself first. I hope you find what your looking for.....It is an adventure.
 
son-yah-tive

son-yah-tive

Full Audioholic
Would there be any sound at all? I did not think it was possible, how could you plug speakers in to an everyday blu ray player ? I 'm not feeling it, ya know what I mean, please fill me in as I am interested in that approach.
* I just don't think there will be any sound at all without some amp power.
Your right, there won't be, but he wants to try another type of sound source without a Receiver. Not sure what that would be.:confused:
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
Your right, there won't be, but he wants to try another type of sound source without a Receiver.
I believe he could go for something like the sony HT in the box blu ray set up or even the samsung version they are prolly the only blu rays that deliver the sound to the speakers without a separate receiver, I am guessing as I kinda remember them at BB and they were all inclusive single units, worth a try.

Her is an example http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Samsung+-+1000W+5.1-Ch.+Blu-ray+Home+Theater+System/9766619.p?id=1218170030530&skuId=9766619
 
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krum

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Thanks everyone! You answered my questions perfectly. I wasn't sure why a AV was needed, but I see its purpose now :). Your info was extremely helpful. :)
 
son-yah-tive

son-yah-tive

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I believe he could go for something like the sony HT in the box blu ray set up or even the samsung version they are prolly the only blu rays that deliver the sound to the speakers without a separate receiver, I am guessing as I kinda remember them at BB and they were all inclusive single units, worth a try.
I didn't think of that route. I'm thinking WAY beyond that. I tend to forget about the in the box units, since most who come to this site have come to look for more than in the box. Your right, I could have suggested those too.
 
son-yah-tive

son-yah-tive

Full Audioholic
Thanks everyone! You answered my questions perfectly. I wasn't sure why a AV was needed, but I see its purpose now :). Your info was extremely helpful. :)
Your welcome. Just stay on this site and you'll find what you need. Just keep doing research..:)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Alright, so I can see the purpose of the AV now. Does make sense to own one for the sound quality. Though it really doesn't do anything for video, correct? Can you explain the difference of a $200 AV compared to ones that are $2000+?

Also, how does the AV work? As in, when the player sends the data to it, I figured it would already be decoded by the player, so the AV has nothing to decode. Or is there an option within the player to shut off its decoding and just send the data raw?

Thanks again! :D
They are very complex devices, and cheap ones are a waste of space.

They have to control all audio inputs. They must be able to verify HDMI for digital rights management.

The processor is the heart of it all and has to be able to decode lots of different codecs from raw bitstream and PCM. It must switch between a myriad of video and audio source, both digital and analog.

The the device has to be able to control channel levels and send the correct audio stream to the right speaker. Also a lot of surround algorithms have to be provided for. Bass management also has to be provided for to divide the bass between speakers and the sub. Also delay has to be provided to the various channels to provide for different speaker distances. In addition many receivers contain complex algorithms for setting channel balance Eq bass management and delay.

Then there is the power amplification after the preamp stage, which after digital to audio conversion has to undergo power amplification to each speaker. Speaker require power, voltage and current.

All this power for amps and processors has to be provide from a powerful power supply.

There are also a myriad of other functions

They are complex pieces of equipment that are complex to set up.

Generally there are significant improvement in performance as you move up the price scale. Some us, like myself regard all receivers as inherently compromised, and use a a preamp/processor and separate power amplification.

If you are contemplating buying a receiver, then do lots of homework to understand what is involved. Download the manual and read it as many times as it takes you to understand it.

Set up generally takes about half a day, for a novice may be longer.

If you can't understand the manual, then don't purchase, unless you have an expert to do the set up for you on site.

If you are only interested in video you are correct a receiver is not necessary. However if you want a like like audio experience along with the video, then a receiver or pre/pro and amps are essential and required.

Audio in my view is well over 50% of the AV experience. In addition to having the pleasure of the video, these systems should be excellent audio reproducers for listening to CDs, SACD, radio and lots of other digital and analog sources.

If you click on the link in my signature you will see a wide range of sources that can be played through an AV system.

In its simplest form a receiver is a complex video and audio switch, video scaler, powerful computer type processor and multichannel power amplifier. That is really complicated.
 
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krum

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TLS Guy,

Thanks for the reply and the suggetions! I clicked on your link and... WOW. You have one sweet setup. Thats when you call every night a movie night. Very nice!
 
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