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That video was awesome!!!!

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Fragmentation rounds are the best rounds to use in home defense as they will expend all their energy into the target and not go through the wall and kill or injure others.

There is absolutely no reason a civilian should not be allowed to purchase a .50 cal if they want to. They are used in long distance competition shooting and have been for years. When have you ever heard of anyone being shot or held up by someone with a 50 cal BMG round. There are also two other rounds 408 Chey-tac and the .416 Barrett. One of them, and I think it is the Barrett, delivers more energy past 700yards than the .50 cal BMG does and is more accurate.

 

[soniceuphoria]

A shotgun is one of the best home defensive weapons...It's easy to teach the wife how to shoot one. I don't see the need of a .50 cal rifle. A shotgun is great in close quarters. Not to mention it is a great point and shoot weapon.

You obviously know nothing about guns, or you would not make a statement like that. Bird shot shells expand and can cause much collateral damage, as well as being inadequate for instant immobilization. Buck shot can over penetrate and be a potential danger.
Not to mention that the long barrel of a shotgun makes it harder to wield and maneuver in hallways and houses.
Point and shoot weapons are for people who are not trained in firearms, or how are bad shots. Neither of which I would want walking around my house in the dark with an itchy trigger finger.

Very cool vid by the way

 

[Matt34]

You obviously know nothing about guns, or you would not make a statement like that. Bird shot shells expand and can cause much collateral damage, as well as being inadequate for instant immobilization. Buck shot can over penetrate and be a potential danger.
Not to mention that the long barrel of a shotgun makes it harder to wield and maneuver in hallways and houses.
Point and shoot weapons are for people who are not trained in firearms, or how are bad shots. Neither of which I would want walking around my house in the dark with an itchy trigger finger.

Very cool vid by the way

Some broad generalizations happening right there.

I use a Mossberg 500 with an 18" barrel and collapsible stock and load it with low-recoil 00 buck loads that comes in either eight or nine pellets. Even No. 8 bird-shot will pattern into a six to eight-inch circle at "inside the house" distances of 10-12 yards. For the record, you can easily miss with a shotgun and I recommend even with buckshot loads, a certain amount of choke is a good idea. There will be less penetration using the above loads than most ball ammo fired from a handgun.

It should be obvious that your choice (whatever it may be) must be utterly reliable. It has to work. By the same reasoning, the gun has to be quick and easy to use in both close quarters and low light situations.

The point is simple--proper selection of a defensive shotgun and effective ammunition, combined with training, give the defensive shooter one of the most devastating firearms possible.

 

[Matt34]

Fragmentation rounds are the best rounds to use in home defense as they will expend all their energy into the target and not go through the wall and kill or injure others.

There is absolutely no reason a civilian should not be allowed to purchase a .50 cal if they want to. They are used in long distance competition shooting and have been for years. When have you ever heard of anyone being shot or held up by someone with a 50 cal BMG round. There are also two other rounds 408 Chey-tac and the .416 Barrett. One of them, and I think it is the Barrett, delivers more energy past 700yards than the .50 cal BMG does and is more accurate.

Agreed 100%. On the same line of thinking we don't need 500hp Corvettes either and I guarantee more people have died wrapping one around a tree than being killed by the big bad .50 cal. Probably should ban those dangerous Corvettes.

All the anti-firearm people were up in arms a few years ago when the Five-seveN handgun came out that used a (5.7mm) rifle round saying it was a cop killer gun and that all the criminals would be using them here in the states. The Brady Campaign even tried to say the Ft. Hood shooter used one.

 

[soniceuphoria]

Some broad generalizations happening right there.

I use a Mossberg 500 with an 18" barrel and collapsible stock and load it with low-recoil 00 buck loads that comes in either eight or nine pellets. Even No. 8 bird-shot will pattern into a six to eight-inch circle at "inside the house" distances of 10-12 yards. For the record, you can easily miss with a shotgun and I recommend even with buckshot loads, a certain amount of choke is a good idea. There will be less penetration using the above loads than most ball ammo fired from a handgun.

It should be obvious that your choice (whatever it may be) must be utterly reliable. It has to work. By the same reasoning, the gun has to be quick and easy to use in both close quarters and low light situations.

The point is simple--proper selection of a defensive shotgun and effective ammunition, combined with training, give the defensive shooter one of the most devastating firearms possible.

Pump action shotguns simply don't make good defensive weapons. If you are hit in the hand or arm by an intruders bullet, you no longer have a way to quickly re meat the gun. Much less aim it effectively. And if you are in a lengthy gun fight, where many rounds are exchanged, reloading can not be done quickly. While I don't doubt that a short barreled or tactical shotgun can be a deadly and effective weapon in the right hands, I still feel that it's place in not as a home protection weapon. But that choice is yours to be made. I will personally stick with my daily carry weapon my Star PD 45 auto, with +P hollow points. One of those in an intruders @$$ and they aint going no where fast.

 

[GO-NAD!]

There is absolutely no reason a civilian should not be allowed to purchase a .50 cal if they want to. They are used in long distance competition shooting and have been for years.

That's about the only reason I can think of where a civilian should be allowed to purchase one. And, if that was the only justifiable reason for owning one, such weapons should be very tightly controlled: background checks, permits, etc. And, owners would only be allowed to transport them to and from competitions and gunsmiths.

There is no big game that would require that weight of a round to bring down, nor should any hunter need the range that a .50 cal rifle would provide.

When have you ever heard of anyone being shot or held up by someone with a 50 cal BMG round.

I can still remember this robbery being in the news over 30 years ago. A quick google only gave me this. If had more time, I might be able to come up with some more details.

"Another more interesting robbery took place in Canada in Montreal in (I believe) 1976. There was a Brink's truck that covered all the major banks in downtown Montreal. It seems that every morning the driver and crew would stop for coffee (at the same place, same time), then drive to a major bank where the crew would take a freight elevator downstairs, then deliver and pick up their cargo. While this was taking place, the driver had a daily routine of drinking his coffee, while also reading his paper ! This was done of course by holding it up, and thus obscuring the truck's windshield.

One day while reading the paper, the driver hears a rap on the window, looks to his left , and sees a guy standing there, pointing ahead. The driver puts down his paper, looks up, and there sits a delivery van with the rear doors closed. When the doors are opened, there's another guy sitting behind a .50 caliber machine gun, mounted behind sand bags! Merde! Having been in the military, he knows that once that thing is fired, it's rounds will go through the truck like a hot knife through butter (they ain't armored enough to stop that). He gets out (the one thing you're warned never to do), waits for the crew to come up with their haul, and once they show up, the rest of the crew is forced to open the truck, then tied up. I'm a little fuzzy on the total amount they stole, but I believe it was around $20mm+. As far as I know, only a small portion was ever recovered, and that came many years later. FWIW, the .50 cal was not assembled correctly, and thus could not have been fired."

 

[Alex2507]

I use a Mossberg 500 ...

I Googled that and came up with this:

I figure a couple of these would be lots of fun to chase bad guys around with in my two bedroom condo blowing sh!t to kingdom come while listening to Sympathy for the Devil.

Alright, alright ... I don't know anything about guns ... I'll go back to The Boring Thread.

 

[GO-NAD!]

... I'll go back to The Boring Thread.

Why? Are gerbils more interesting?

 

[s162216]

Oh well at least I don't have to worry about any of this seeing as I live in the UK where despite the very strict firearms laws it is legal to own a .50 BMG rifle BUT its difficult as its illegal to import them and the Police who you have to apply to obtain a firearms license are unlikely to allow you to have a license for it.

One interesting thing is that pistol shooters are not allowed to train in the UK for sporting events but theres a temporary change in the law allowing the event for the 2012 Olympics as usually its an illegal sport. To train the team has to go to Switzerland and they get no public funding like the other sports do.

 

[gmichael]

Why? Are gerbils more interesting?

Only when he turns his back on them.

 

[soniceuphoria]

I Googled that and came up with this:

I figure a couple of these would be lots of fun to chase bad guys around with in my two bedroom condo blowing sh!t to kingdom come while listening to Sympathy for the Devil.

Alright, alright ... I don't know anything about guns ... I'll go back to The Boring Thread.

That's a super shorty. It is a Short Barreled Shotgun. And is considered a class 3 weapon by the us government for which you need special approval, and a tax stamp to purchase.. And is still illegal in many states. it is not a mosberg 500.

-Greg

 

[gmichael]

That's a super shorty. It is a Short Barreled Shotgun. And is considered a class 3 weapon by the us government for which you need special approval, and a tax stamp to purchase.. And is still illegal in many states. it is not a mosberg 500.

-Greg

This one???

 

[James NM]

This one???

That's just like mine, except I have a side saddle with extra shells and a flashlight.