Cop Punches Girl in the Face

[Matt34]

Acceptable force plus one by an officer, which means the officer can not only meet the aggressor with matching force but also increase said force by one. (i.e. he/she hits an officer the officer can either hit back or go plus one and strike with a nightstick) and is clearly justified by the courts.

This is covered in most states under POST (Police Officer Standards of Training)

We have level's of force as military police as well. There is a saying about unarmed self defense training in the military, you learn just enough to get your *** kicked.

 

[Chu Gai]

Here's an interesting although applying for military, Matt will most probably be accustomed with them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement

Here, punching would equate to level 4. "The subject may physically attack". I don't really agree that the girls physically attacked, they resisted arrest, one girl pushed the officer, but that doesn't constitute an attack IMHO, but that could be argued.

Well, let's go with the military one then. He used force on the second girl, who was not being arrested, and who came at him quickly and for no apparent reason.

That's hilarious, so the police says the police officer acted fairly... That's surprising that he didn't take the side of the victim right? That happens so often in cases of police brutality... Really, means nothing, just that they're covering their asses, if he said he used too much force, he'd open the department to get sued and all that... Reminds me how when one politician says something, all of his party applaud and scream "bravo!", "Well said!", "right on!". And when the opposition says something, they all boo.

You're right. That's a distinct possibility. The old blue wall of silence and it's happened before. There is undoubtedly a lawyer who is going to look into this and possibly take it to court.

Shooting in the head would have been an act of defense too. In this act, the two girls were unarmed. I saw one them push the officer while trying to break his grasp of her friend, but I didn't see them reach for the weapon or throw a punch/kick/eye gouge/etc. Do we agree on this?

Yes we do and from the benefit of sitting in our chairs calmly. Now, how many seconds did the officer have to react to the second woman's attack.

You saw the video... What you're asking is similar to not judging Schifter because you haven't seen/heard the whole story...

Hey now. I had more than you'll ever know and more than enough to alert the charities who in turn passed their information over to the police and authorities. It did result in a multi-felony count indictment now!

Weird, well here they were black chicks... What can I say... Ok, let's disregard the fact that they're black and just say that they're chicks, they could have been crazy chinese chicks, or white crazy chicks, would have made no difference.

I didn't want the asians to be left out of any possible stereotyping! But while we're on that subject, do you think if the chicks were white that the black community leader would have stated it was excessive force? I just kind of don't like race cards.

Probably a wrong split second decision by the police officer if that's what you're referring to, but wrong none the less...

Ever read Into the Kill Zone: A Cop's Eye View of Deadly Force by Klinger? A lot of things happen to the body in split seconds.

Right, they didn't have time the officer clogged one in the head... Hey, they probably acted that way because they thought they could get away with it, and that there would pretty much be no repercussion (dumb broads), but that doesn't warrant the use of force, imho, it was excessive. They stopped because one already got punched by the police officer, a fully grown man... They were acting crazy, but when they realize that their ridiculous antics could result in them getting the **** beaten out of them, they finally realized how stupid it was on their part to continue.

Look, I can see you're POV, but at the present time I don't see it as excessive force. Maybe I'll change my mind later if new information comes out.

I always go for "what makes more sense". What was more likely, the 2 broads wanted to kick the *** of the police officer then take his gun and shoot him? Or were they just two black chicks acting crazy?

He didn't have time to sit down and have a conference. He had a couple of seconds.

Chris Rock - How not to get your *** kicked by the police
As funny as this vid is, no one deserves to get their *** kicked by the police. Police is there to arrest, not to kick ***.

Some might argue that maybe more of a Public Servant approach might be better and I can see that too. But hey, that's Chris Rock and we let a lot of things slide with comedy. After all, wasn't it Rock who said that while he did not condone OJ's actions, he understood.

 

[GirgleMirt]

Well, let's go with the military one then. He used force on the second girl, who was not being arrested, and who came at him quickly and for no apparent reason.

No, she didn't come at him. He was grappling her friend, and she came and tried to free her from his grasp, then she pushed him. It's not like she came out for no apparent reason and punched him...

Hey now. I had more than you'll ever know and more than enough to alert the charities who in turn passed their information over to the police and authorities. It did result in a multi-felony count indictment now!

That's the point isn't it? You clearly see it, police grabbing woman, she's resisting arrest, friend comes in, tries to help her friend fend off the police grabbing at her, she pushes him, then he comes forward and punches her. You saw it, it's all in the video? What's there more to see? It was all caught on video... Yet, some still reserve judgment until more evidence comes forth... Not sure what more you need than the video of the events... Video > testimonies.

Ever read Into the Kill Zone: A Cop's Eye View of Deadly Force by Klinger? A lot of things happen to the body in split seconds.

Yes we do and from the benefit of sitting in our chairs calmly. Now, how many seconds did the officer have to react to the second woman's attack.

Right, and as I've said it was a wrong split second decision. PO are supposed to be trained to deal with these types of situations. I strongly doubt punching people in the face is part of their training. I'm not saying he didn't panic, I'm not saying he didn't misjudge the situation, I'm not saying a lot of things... But looking at the events, watching the video, it's hard to imagine how you could portray things as this not being police brutality.

Hell, I'd love to hear an instructor talking about this video to students: "Now here you see the mad woman is resisting arrest, now this other crazy chick also comes from nowhere, yep, see that, she touched him, even pushed him a little, but look at this brilliant reaction, check it, step forward... wait for it... BANG! There you go! Right on the kisser! That's what you want to do in these type of situations, just punch the motherf**** on the nose, see how she's stunned and isn't putting up a fight anymore? This absolutely brilliant response for the officer is what you should all strive for."

The excessive force is evident...

 

[Chu Gai]

No, she didn't come at him. He was grappling her friend, and she came and tried to free her from his grasp, then she pushed him. It's not like she came out for no apparent reason and punched him...

So, the 2nd girl announced that she was the other's friend? No apparent reason from whose POV?

That's the point isn't it? You clearly see it, police grabbing woman, she's resisting arrest, friend comes in, tries to help her friend fend off the police grabbing at her, she pushes him, then he comes forward and punches her. You saw it, it's all in the video? What's there more to see? It was all caught on video... Yet, some still reserve judgment until more evidence comes forth... Not sure what more you need than the video of the events... Video > testimonies.

Yes, we all see it sitting in the relaxed comfort of our chairs and we can watch it over and over again. Being in the moment is an entirely different thing. More evidence? Sure, why not? Isn't that what an investigation does? What if the person filming the thing was part of a staged action?

Right, and as I've said it was a wrong split second decision. PO are supposed to be trained to deal with these types of situations. I strongly doubt punching people in the face is part of their training. I'm not saying he didn't panic, I'm not saying he didn't misjudge the situation, I'm not saying a lot of things... But looking at the events, watching the video, it's hard to imagine how you could portray things as this not being police brutality.

Taking classes at some point does not necessarily prepare you to deal and evaluate situations when they occur at some point in the future. That's a matter of constant practice so that you can develop sufficient familiarity and comfort such that your own body vitals operate at an optimum zone.

Hell, I'd love to hear an instructor talking about this video to students: "Now here you see the mad woman is resisting arrest, now this other crazy chick also comes from nowhere, yep, see that, she touched him, even pushed him a little, but look at this brilliant reaction, check it, step forward... wait for it... BANG! There you go! Right on the kisser! That's what you want to do in these type of situations, just punch the motherf**** on the nose, see how she's stunned and isn't putting up a fight anymore? This absolutely brilliant response for the officer is what you should all strive for."

The excessive force is evident...

Maybe they also show videos where police officers take a more restrained approach followed by a funeral. To me, your threshold for brutality is much lower than mine. And FWIW, I'm not wholly on one side of the blue issue. For example, in many states, if a crime is committed against a police officer, the penalties escalate. IMO, if a police officer commits a crime, the penalties ought to proportionally escalate.

 

[Matt34]

I watched the video again and the girl he was trying to apprehend before the other pushed him got on his back when he had the other pinned up against the car. Bad situation. The girl in the pink looks like she even had a couple inches on him and by the looks of her gut, a few pounds....and she continued to resist at the end of the video.

GirgleMirt,

There is no reasoning with some people as you inferred was the right answer to deescalate the situation. It wasn't police brutality, he responded with the necessary force(nothing more than a high right hand punch) to subdue a fighting subject with minimal injuries. Cops are not experts at unarmed self defense plain and simple but I would really like to hear how you think he should have subdued them both.

If you had it your way this cop would lose his job, his benefits and the ability to support his family because some nut job juvenile delinquent has no respect for authority by assaulting him in the performance of his duties.

 

[Chu Gai]

The Seattle PD posted the following,

On June 14th at approximately 3:10 p.m. a uniformed patrol officer was driving north in the 3100 block of MLK Jr. Way South in a fully marked police car. The officer observed a male pedestrian j-walk across MLK Jr. Way South, an arterial street. There is a pedestrian overpass (foot bridge) about 15 feet to the north of where the male pedestrian j-walked. The officer stopped the pedestrian. While interacting with the 18-year-old male pedestrian, the officer observed four female pedestrians j-walk at the same location that the male pedestrian just had. The officer instructed the females to step over to his vehicle. They were verbally antagonistic toward the officer. One female subject turned and began to walk away. The officer again instructed her to step over to his car. She continued to walk away and appeared to raise her hand in a dismissive gesture. The officer contacted the female subject and began escorting her back toward his car. The female subject began to tense up her arm and pull away from the officer while yelling at him. Once at the patrol car the female subject refused to obey the officer’s commands to place her hands on the car. When the officer again tried to gain control of her, she pulled away and twisted, breaking free of the officer’s grip several times.

At this time a large crowd gathered around the officer. When the officer tried to handcuff the female subject, another female subject intervened. The second female subject placed her hands on the officer’s arm, causing the officer to believe she was attempting to physically affect the first subject’s escape. The officer pushed the second subject back, but she again came at the officer, at which time he punched her. The second subject moved away and the officer was able to handcuff the first subject and place her in the back seat of his patrol car.

As the officer contacted and subsequently escorted the second subject over to his patrol car, she too tried to pull and twist away from him. The officer restrained her until backup officers arrived, at which time the second subject was handcuffed.

Suspect #1, a 19-year-old female, was booked into the King County Jail for Obstructing an Officer. Suspect #2, a 17-year-old female, was booked into the Youth Service Center for Investigation of Assault on an Officer. Both suspects were cited for j-walking. Nobody appeared to be injured as a result of the altercation. SFD medics responded and evaluated suspect #2 as a precautionary measure.

 

[GirgleMirt]

I watched the video again and the girl he was trying to apprehend before the other pushed him got on his back when he had the other pinned up against the car. Bad situation.

LMAO she was in his back because he punched the other girl in the face, and then walked past her and exposed her back to her... And she was in his back screaming and trying to stop him from punching her friend another time.

The girl in the pink looks like she even had a couple inches on him and by the looks of her gut, a few pounds....

Oh jesus no police overmatched by tall overweight black chick.... Come on... He just had to hit her in the face, he had no other choice, she was really scary in real life... He feared for his life...

There is no reasoning with some people as you inferred was the right answer to deescalate the situation.

Huh huh huh when did I say that punching was the right answer to deescalate the situation? Shooting in the head was I believe I said, and that he should have deescalated the situation without using violence is what I've been saying all along I believe. Is it not? I think there's no reasoning with people who wants to hear nothing other than what they're saying...

It wasn't police brutality, he responded with the necessary force(nothing more than a high right hand punch) to subdue a fighting subject with minimal injuries.

lmao, "nothing more than a high right hand punch". Oh just a right hand to the face of a 17 year old girl, that's not brutality in the least... Naaaah, that's just necessary force for a 17 year old screaming girl resisting arrest for jay walking...

Cops are not experts at unarmed self defense plain and simple but I would really like to hear how you think he should have subdued them both.

It wasn't bruce lee in front of him, Mike Tyson or Mr T, it was a chick. How much of an expert do you need to be? Should definitely learn that during police academy... I said it before, he didn't have to subdue them both by himself, just call and wait for backup.

If you had it your way this cop would lose his job, his benefits and the ability to support his family because some nut job juvenile delinquent has no respect for authority by assaulting him in the performance of his duties.

lmao Yeah sure let's disregard the fact that he actually punched the girl in the face, and lets put 100% of the blame on the punched girl. What a joke. Also I never said he should lose his job, I haven't commented the least on eprimand or punishment... Only that he shouldn't have punched the girl in the face in that situation.

I smell a sort of defensiveness which might spawn from some sort of unity from police and military... Like someone is feeling threatened by all of this...

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Originally Posted by GirgleMirt View Post
No, she didn't come at him. He was grappling her friend, and she came and tried to free her from his grasp, then she pushed him. It's not like she came out for no apparent reason and punched him...

So, the 2nd girl announced that she was the other's friend? No apparent reason from whose POV?

So he's grabbing one girl and she's screaming, then this other girl comes and tries to stop him from grappling the first chick and pushes him away from her. She didn't have to announce anything, her actions talked plenty loud. It wasn't a random cop attack on the street.

Yes, we all see it sitting in the relaxed comfort of our chairs and we can watch it over and over again. Being in the moment is an entirely different thing.

Yes, and bad decisions are easy to be made under those circumstances. That's why police officers are trained to handle these situations.

Taking classes at some point does not necessarily prepare you to deal and evaluate situations when they occur at some point in the future. That's a matter of constant practice so that you can develop sufficient familiarity and comfort such that your own body vitals operate at an optimum zone.

Yeah, and he failed to act appropriately in that situation. It's not like he's got 4-5 friday night classes and becomes a cop, that's the exact type of situations they should be trained to handle. It's not a case like when police is put in front of a wild tiger escaped from the zoo... That's the exact type of situations they're trained to handle.

Maybe they also show videos where police officers take a more restrained approach followed by a funeral.

Right, like he was really in a life threatening situation there...

To me, your threshold for brutality is much lower than mine.

Ok, so then the pushing of the girl, which sparked the punch, should be a really benign act which didn't warrant escalation of violence on the officer's part...

My threshold for brutality isn't low at all. But I guess that my threshold for a person in authority abusing his power and not doing his job adequately is quite low. Or maybe it's just that my threshold for someone punching a girl in the face full force for no good reason is quite low... I dunno.

The cop threw the first punch, and hit the girl in the face. The question is, could it have been avoided? Could the cop have done anything else which would not have resulted in having to resort to violence? What's the answer, yes or no? Because if you say yes, that there was another solution, then we're in agreement, that he didn't have to punch the girl in the face.

And FWIW, I'm not wholly on one side of the blue issue. For example, in many states, if a crime is committed against a police officer, the penalties escalate. IMO, if a police officer commits a crime, the penalties ought to proportionally escalate.

Escalate? What do you mean escalate? It would be absolutely amazing if cops just paid for the crimes they committed. But it doesn't happen often, they're like the mafia, they protect their own, it's almost like they're above the law sometimes.

Cops beat up a black guy? Bah, take a few week paid suspension (vacation), then everything goes back to normal. And let's face it, most of the time absolutely nothing happens to the cop... Just in some case, where one has the misfortune of being filmed and it's aired on TV, then a semblance of action is taken... And it's really not worth much.

 

[GirgleMirt]

You need to spend a bit more time in the hood before you start monday morning quarterbacking the guy

(anonymous bad rep giver message)

lol

What's that supposed to mean exactly, that those in the hood (wonder who that could be), deserve a bit of violence? To have some sense beat into them?

In some ways, I can't dispute that these 2 crazy black chicks had it coming. You can't defend this absolutely unacceptable behavior. But the job of the cop wasn't to punch her in the face. That's an abuse of power. No one has the right to assault another individual like that. There are some cases, self defense and the such, where you would have no choice of doing so, but this wasn't the case. The crazy black chick barely pushed the cop, the cop was never in any real danger and there was really no reason to escalate to using physical violence which might injure badly the chick. Simply no justification to do so.

Well, that's how it works in Canada. Maybe it works differently in the states. And in some states, it definitely does. Maybe it's just different set of values and standards. I think standards being the key word here. Canadians don't want violent thugs as their law enforcement agencies. Maybe Americans simply don't care or don't consider police using violence a problem...

 

[Chu Gai]

By escalate I mean if two identical crimes were committed - one against a typical person and one against a police officer - the penalties can be more severe for the crime against the PO.

As to how it works in Canada, what about this article where a person was tasered in Canada and died?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10356485.stm

But Girgle, imagine you're in the same situation. You're trying to arrest female #1 and suddenly female #2 comes in . Roll camera. What do you do? And btw, what's this thing about them being females? Equal rights?

 

[GirgleMirt]

By escalate I mean if two identical crimes were committed - one against a typical person and one against a police officer - the penalties can be more severe for the crime against the PO.

As to how it works in Canada, what about this article where a person was tasered in Canada and died?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10356485.stm

Right, like the mafia:

The RCMP's handling of the incident led to charges that they misrepresented the facts to portray the RCMP in a favourable light. The BC Civil Liberties Association has filed a complaint arguing that the evidence shows that the Taser was not used as a last resort and condemning the RCMP for its attempt to suppress the video and for casting aspersions on the character of Dziekański.[27] An RCMP spokesman, Sgt. Pierre Lemaitre, was heavily criticized for providing a false version of events prior to the public release of the video. He stated that Dziekański "continued to throw things around and yell and scream", after the arrival of the police officers, which was later revealed by the video to be false.[28]

On December 12, 2008, the Criminal Justice Branch of British Columbia issued a statement, finding that although the RCMP officers' efforts to restrain Dziekański were a contributing cause of his death, the force they used to subdue and restrain him was reasonable and necessary in all the circumstances; thus there would not be a substantial likelihood of conviction of the officers in connection with the incident and accordingly criminal charges were not approved.[29] Three of the officers remain on duty elsewhere in Canada, while the supervisor, Corporal Benjamin Monty Robinson, is suspended with pay awaiting trial on charges of impaired driving causing death, stemming from the death of a 21-year old Vancouver man.[30][31][32]

Another case of excessive force resulting in a death, and in a ridiculous absolvement of the thugs who killed the guy. Damn if you beat him with a pulp with your fists, damned if you tase him to death... What's a policeman to do in these hard times? And all this video evidence with all those cell phones... What a pain!

But Girgle, imagine you're in the same situation. You're trying to arrest female #1 and suddenly female #2 comes in . Roll camera. What do you do? And btw, what's this thing about them being females? Equal rights?

As said previously:

First, take a step back, if I think my gun is in any danger, put my hand on it to make sure it is secure. Then with my other arm, point to the unarmed girl and make CLEAR that they are now both under arrest. Since they're 2 and I'm by myself, call for backup. Use free arm to keep crazy black girls away if necessary if they get too close and I think my firearm might be in danger. Make it 100% clear that they are under arrest and that for example, they should put their hands on the hood of the car (no discussion, repeat said commands if they don't respond).

In the case where the girls come at me waving their tiny fists of fury or their purses, then I have a problem, then yeah, use force to defend myself. Punching is definitely preferable to using deadly force (gun). If they just scream and act like crazy upset black women, let them do so, as long as they're not hurting anyone. If they try to run away, then I don't know, chase them down and tackle them or something...

 

[Chu Gai]

First, take a step back, if I think my gun is in any danger, put my hand on it to make sure it is secure.

He already knew it was secure. You've just wasted a second or two and now both your hands are compromised. You've left yourself open. One has the handcuffs while the other is checking the gun. Both women are now free to attack you.
A large crowd gathers rapidly and it is unknown if they are simply curious or someone may represent hostile intentions. You've just compromised yourself and possibly others. The officer, instead of taking a step back first pushed her away. He countered force with equal force. Woman #2 was undaunted and came back again.

Then with my other arm, point to the unarmed girl and make CLEAR that they are now both under arrest.

You wouldn't have had a chance with one arm on your holster and one trying to secure female #1. You still haven't secured the first woman and she's struggling and I have serious reservations the second would respond to, "You're under arrest." She seems rather feisty.

Since they're 2 and I'm by myself, call for backup. Use free arm to keep crazy black girls away if necessary if they get too close and I think my firearm might be in danger. Make it 100% clear that they are under arrest and that for example, they should put their hands on the hood of the car (no discussion, repeat said commands if they don't respond).

This is going to take much longer than the actual event. Just how are you going to call for backup? You still haven't secured the first woman and you think the other woman is just going to step back and patiently wait while you reach for your communication device? Like they really gave a sh!t you told them they were under arrest. How do you know they're black? Maybe they're Jamaican and Jamaican's do not appreciate being called anything that what they are? Let's leave the color aspect out, OK?

In the case where the girls come at me waving their tiny fists of fury or their purses, then I have a problem, then yeah, use force to defend myself. Punching is definitely preferable to using deadly force (gun). If they just scream and act like crazy upset black women, let them do so, as long as they're not hurting anyone. If they try to run away, then I don't know, chase them down and tackle them or something...

Attempt noted at trying to diminish the potential severity by saying their fists were tiny and mention of purses. The second female already was given one chance when she was pushed away. She came back for seconds and if pushed away again I think she'd go for a third attempt. Maybe this time kick you in your Canadian nutsack. BTW, what's your heartbeat and respiration at this point? 120 bpm? Maybe 160 bpm? Any natural release of adrenalin going on? What about other hormones? Do you know what happens to anyone's body when these sorts of conditions occur?

 

[Shock]

How did she get out of the kitchen in the first place?

 

[highfigh]

Doesn't matter. Police should treat everyone with respect and courtesy, and as much as possible try to restrain from escalating or using violence...

And, how much respect did they show him? That's a load of "happy place" BS. If he's trying to apprehend someone and another person jumps in, the second person gets put down, ASAP. Police are trained to take control, not stand there and wait for peace to come to the world. I'm not saying a cop should get out of the cruiser and start beating on people but if they're trying to deal with someone and another person gets physical, being respectful isn't going to make that second person stop.

 

[highfigh]

OK, here's a "What if?" for everyone. Assuming her hands were clenched, how would he have known if she had a box cutter in one of them? I don't mean a large razor knife, I mean the little one that's not much larger than a single-edge razor blade. Ever seen what happens when someone has one in their hand and only lets a little of the blade stick out? I have and it's not pretty. A friend of mine was cut by a drunk guy and nobody saw the blade, but we all saw Ken bleeding like a stuck pig. Fortunately, it missed his carotid artery, but not by more than 1/4".

 

[GirgleMirt]

Unbelievable! What happened?

He already knew it was secure. You've just wasted a second or two and now both your hands are compromised. You've left yourself open. One has the handcuffs while the other is checking the gun. Both women are now free to attack you.

lol what the hell was that? lmao hands compromised? What are you talking about? A cop who feel his firearm is threatened will automatically take a step back with the to put distance between his firearm and the threat, no way this crazy black chick is going to expertly ninja her way past the other arm to grab at the gun... And "wasted a second or two"? What the hell are you talking about? This isn't a race... 2 secs pass is no big deal, actually the more time passes the more the situation can disarm itself, and more chance that backup arrives...

A large crowd gathers rapidly and it is unknown if they are simply curious or someone may represent hostile intentions. You've just compromised yourself and possibly others. The officer, instead of taking a step back first pushed her away. He countered force with equal force. Woman #2 was undaunted and came back again.

Came back again? lol She was being grabbed by the police officer, and then after she saw her friend get punched in the face by the police she got scared and was trying to stop the police from again punching her friend... Are you blind? Did you not see that?

Anyhow, your scenario is rather ludicrous, you're transforming the scene into a scenario from hell. Again, if we look at the situation, and not possible worst case scenarios, it went on as I described it. The police escalated violence precociously. No one yet again answered, could he have defused the situation other than physically assaulting the girl by punching her?

OK, here's a "What if?"

Or here's another what if, the boyfriend seeing how the police just hit his GF on the mouth pulls up his gun and shoots him, to protect his GF against the assault of the police. You can go so far with what ifs, better simply look at the situation. There was no gun, no knifes, just 2 crazy black woman resisting arrest, with one slightly pushing the police, then the police slugging her full force in the face.

And, how much respect did they show him? That's a load of "happy place" BS. If he's trying to apprehend someone and another person jumps in, the second person gets put down, ASAP. Police are trained to take control, not stand there and wait for peace to come to the world. I'm not saying a cop should get out of the cruiser and start beating on people but if they're trying to deal with someone and another person gets physical, being respectful isn't going to make that second person stop.

I fully agree, but guess what, you can be an ******* vs police, you can insult them, spit on them, and they're not supposed to hit you. Police isn't supposed to use excessive nor respond by violence in situations which doesn't require it. You can sure as hell be arrested and charged, but punched? Nope... "taking control of a situation" isn't punching someone in the face...

Take the earlier mentioned levels, cops should ahve been at #3, but he totally bypassed level 3 and decided to jump right at level 4 when he attacked the 2nd black girl.

 

[markw]

That anonymous repper was right.

You watch too much TV and drank too much kool-aid.

You really have no idea what transpires in these situations in the real world.

Or you simply want to see cops beat down for protecting themselves.

 

[Shock]

Well, that's how it works in Canada. Maybe it works differently in the states. And in some states, it definitely does. Maybe it's just different set of values and standards. I think standards being the key word here. Canadians don't want violent thugs as their law enforcement agencies. Maybe Americans simply don't care or don't consider police using violence a problem...

Being Canadian, I don't really understand how this makes any sense. I wasn't aware that violence was linked to a certain country and being Canadian makes you have higher standards.

 

[Chu Gai]

Girgle, I love ya. I just have to disagree that from what I saw that the punch constituted police brutality. I don't give the police a general pass and I think there are numerous times they exceed the boundaries of acceptability. I may yet change my mind if this matter goes to trial and something else comes to light. Just about every profession attracts people who will look to take advantage of its unique situation and abuse their authority. The priesthood has its pedophiles, politicians have special favors, coaches sexually abuse their players, accountants get creative, and so on.

There are always different ways to have handled a situation. Hindsight gives us that calm ability to see it more clearly. OTOH, sometimes, hindsight is left to a training video. See what happens after 6 minutes. I'll bet this cop had stopped many a motorist with negligible incident. But then...

 

[Gov]

Well...here is my take on it speaking from almost 20 years of LEO experience. The minute she began to interfere with my duties, I would have given her a warning to stop and if she did not, she would have been told she would be arrested for obstructing. If she did it again, I may have even given another warning probably much more louder so everyone could hear. The minute she laid a hand on me, I would have advised her she was now under arrest and given her instructions to submit to the arrest. If she began to pull away or walk away, I would have grabbed ahold of her and assisted her in submitting to the arrest. If she continued to actively resisted, my taser would have been pulled out and pointed directly at her. Verbal commands would continue and I would follow them up by saying that she would be tasered if she continued to resist. If she continued, I would have deployed my taser immediately.

My personal opinion is that this officer did absolutely nothing wrong by punching her. I just would have done things differently like I explained above.

People need to understand that EVERYTHING a person does especially those with "authority" can be "monday morning QB'd" until the cows come home. We all know that hindsight is 20/20. Trust me when I say, we (police) get questioned about almost everything we do not only by Joe Citizen, but by our superiors and fellow LEO's.

Just my two cents

 

[Matt34]

Take the earlier mentioned levels, cops should ahve been at #3, but he totally bypassed level 3 and decided to jump right at level 4 when he attacked the 2nd black girl.

The levels of force can be skipped depending on what the situation dictates, so again your understanding of police protocol is wrong.