need advice on 1st system

[yepimonfire]

it will be more then enough, many people dont understand the power concept which is why 100wpc is trendy these days, a normal listening volume only uses about 10-20w of power 65w is like a 18dB gain, which for those klipsch speakers is like a whopping 108dB which is outrageously loud.

 

[Awp666]

it will be more then enough, many people dont understand the power concept which is why 100wpc is trendy these days, a normal listening volume only uses about 10-20w of power 65w is like a 18dB gain, which for those klipsch speakers is like a whopping 108dB which is outrageously loud.

ahh ok like i said i have no clue im a total noob when it comes to this stuff thanks for all your help

 

[Awp666]

so that 665w sony would work aswell then? the one that i posted in one of my preivous posts, i also found a 450w sony for a little less money then the onkyo you showed me.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Sony+-+450W+5.1-Ch.+A/V+Home+Theater+Receiver/9749436.p?id=1218166513661&skuId=9749436


i just want to make sure either of these recievers will power my system with ease, the last thing id want is for it to be underpowered

 

[yepimonfire]

well yes, but i would go with the onkyo, that onkyo can provide a good clean 65wpc with headroom to spare, the sony will probably start distorting at around 40wpc ACD. it is certainly not going to give out 600w or 400w or even 200w. the onkyo will certainly serve you better for years to come, sony is not a very good company to buy audio products from if your looking for high quality stuff. keep in mind sony markets their products to the mid-fi class. the onkyo is not expensive at all, you will be glad you went with it.

and those sony's WILL underpower your system, they may be able to give out loud sound but not clean unclipped sound. and just so you know underpowering your speaker will actually ruin them as i ruined a pair of nice KEFs by using a 50w amp that could maybe give out 15wpc on a good day. its not about power amount, its about headroom. thats why many hardcore tube audiophiles own 5-15w tube amps and they sound great, because they have good headroom and can respond dynamically to sound, when a solid state amp "runs out of gas" it just clips and distorts BADLY, and this type of distortion can and will ruin your speakers. i looked at the specs for that onkyo, it is measured with all channels driven simultaneously, so it will give an authentic 325w with no trouble at all. more power does not always mean louder sound either, in order to notice an increase of output you would have to compare a 100w amp to a 500w one.

 

[Awp666]

well yes, but i would go with the onkyo, that onkyo can provide a good clean 65wpc with headroom to spare, the sony will probably start distorting at around 40wpc ACD. it is certainly not going to give out 600w or 400w or even 200w. the onkyo will certainly serve you better for years to come, sony is not a very good company to buy audio products from if your looking for high quality stuff. keep in mind sony markets their products to the mid-fi class. the onkyo is not expensive at all, you will be glad you went with it.

and those sony's WILL underpower your system, they may be able to give out loud sound but not clean unclipped sound. and just so you know underpowering your speaker will actually ruin them as i ruined a pair of nice KEFs by using a 50w amp that could maybe give out 15wpc on a good day. its not about power amount, its about headroom. thats why many hardcore tube audiophiles own 5-15w tube amps and they sound great, because they have good headroom and can respond dynamically to sound, when a solid state amp "runs out of gas" it just clips and distorts BADLY, and this type of distortion can and will ruin your speakers. i looked at the specs for that onkyo, it is measured with all channels driven simultaneously, so it will give an authentic 325w with no trouble at all. more power does not always mean louder sound either, in order to notice an increase of output you would have to compare a 100w amp to a 500w one.

Ok ill just get the onkyo i guess...i just always thought the watts for the reciever had to be high if the speakers ratings where high i guess i just get confused with all the numbers i mean it says the subwoofer is like 400 watts so idk its all confusing as hell haha

 

[lsiberian]

I found those speakers you where talking about but you cant order them from their website?

i looked for dealers in my area with no results so idk. any other suggestions?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/321847-REG/Behringer_B2030P_B2030P_2_Way_Passive.html
For the price you won't come close with anything else.

The next step up are the Ascend Acoustics.
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html

For a receiver you could use this
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/ONKTXSR607BLK/Onkyo/TX-SR607-90-watts-channel-7.2-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

For a sub grab one of these
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-635

 

[lsiberian]

Ok ill just get the onkyo i guess...i just always thought the watts for the reciever had to be high if the speakers ratings where high i guess i just get confused with all the numbers i mean it says the subwoofer is like 400 watts so idk its all confusing as hell haha

Receiver wattage ratings are rarely accurate. Your best bet for getting a good receiver is to come here and ask.

Don't look for wattage ratings. Look for a quality reputation instead and you'll save yourself some headaches.

 

[lsiberian]

Well after more looking around and another bump in budget ive decided to go with the RB-10 Home theater system from KLIPSCH.
now the only thing i will need help with is what type of reciever will power these speakers? i noticed each speaker in the set had different wattage ratings so that kinda threw me for a loop if ya know what i mean.

I'd not make such quick choices on speakers given your budget. Patience is rewarded. Those speakers are probably okay. But you just upped the budget a lot.

I think building a system incrementally is the best approach. Start with 2 speakers and a receiver. Then add some surrounds, a sub, and a center later. Great speakers last forever. So don't be in a rush.

 

[Awp666]

I'd not make such quick choices on speakers given your budget. Patience is rewarded. Those speakers are probably okay. But you just upped the budget a lot.

I think building a system incrementally is the best approach. Start with 2 speakers and a receiver. Then add some surrounds, a sub, and a center later. Great speakers last forever. So don't be in a rush.

you think the KLIPSCH speakers are a bad choice? ive been doing alot of research on them and i havent really heard anythign bad about them, allthough i will still listen to them at the store before dropping the cash on them

 

[yepimonfire]

no, the power ratings only tell you how much power you can theoretically drive into them before they blow. the power ratings on klipsch speaker are high, but klipsch speakers are VERY effecient, meaning they require less power to get the same volume.

 

[Awp666]

the Onkyo 308 it is then, which is good cuz saves me a bit of $, if its not what im looking for or dosent do what i need it to ill just return it.

it will do Audio and Video through both HDMI and HD Componet right? like the blue green red jacks?

 

[yepimonfire]

yep i checked all that out for ya, two components, 3 hdmi, and it converts component to hdmi so you only need one output. oh and component requires a coaxial input, but ill help you figure that out if you get confused.

 

[Awp666]

what do you mean the component needs coaxial? wouldnt you just plug the component into the reciver then take another component wire plug it into the output and the plug the other end into the tv?

 

[jostenmeat]

I'll help out only for a moment, and I have not followed this thread:

what do you mean the component needs coaxial?

Component cables DO have the red/white for audio, but that will only get you 2.0, and never mch material like DD 5.1, DTS 6.1, etc.

A digital coax would do that, as has been prescribed, and an optical cable would be just as good.

wouldnt you just plug the component into the reciver then take another component wire plug it into the output and the plug the other end into the tv?

If yepimonfire is right that your unit can indeed transcode component video to the HDMI output, it provides convenience to you in that you don't have to fiddle with TV input selection.

OTOH, I normally recommend running your component video DIRECTLY from source to TV, if only for the possibility of calibration of video for different source inputs. There isn't anything to gain here by running your video to receiver, except for the aforementioned convenience (and that's assuming the video won't be messed with, to begin with . . )

 

[Awp666]

correct me if im wrong but what your saying is the component would go into the reciever then it would send video and audio out of the reciever via HDMI cable? how does that work? wouldnt it have to be HDMI to HDMI?

also what is the coaxial cable could you send me a link to one so i can see it for myself as i have no idea what that is or what i would even have to look for lol


EDIT: so would the HD Component cables go into the back of the reciever and then from the reciever have an optical cord and going into the tv's optical cord? as i said im a total noob when it comes to this so any help or explenaitons is greatly apreicated thene again after looking at the 308 i see no optical out on the back of it so idk im confused as hell

 

[yepimonfire]

well what do u want to hook up via components

 

[Awp666]

Well my Cablebox/DVR and my PS3/Bluray can be HDMI cables. but since my xbox is a release model it dosent support HDMI so i have to use the HD component cables, but from my understanding correct me if im wrong this is how i think it should be.

HDMI cable coming from the Cable box would go into the input on the reciever and then the hdmi cable going from the output would go into the tv. and same thing goes for the PS3, but since there is only one output for HDMI thats the reason why the reciever has different modes right? lke game, dvd, blu ray etc.



also when having the compnet hooked up you put the component into the input on the reciever then the red and white into the input on the reciever then the output from the reciever would head out to the tv correct?



http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImage=82-120-164-V03&ISList=82-120-164-V01,82-120-164-V03,82-120-164-V04&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16882120164&Depa=0&WaterMark=0&Description=ONKYO 5.1-Channel Home Theater Receiver TX-SR308





in that picture you can see the component hookups would it matter using the red blue green ones and then using that output under it for the other red and white. then for the output you could do the same thing right?



also using the HD Component cables will it be true surround sound or would i have 2 find another cable?

 

[yepimonfire]

yes, its called pro logic IIx, hook the xbox up via the two stereo outputs and then set your receiver to PLII game

 

[Awp666]

yes, its called pro logic IIx, hook the xbox up via the two stereo outputs and then set your receiver to PLII game

is there an option for the PLII on the front of the reciver or something? and the stereo outputs thats just the ones i mentioned before. so it would be full surround sound and i have nothing to worryy about?

 

[yepimonfire]

yes PLII is built into the receiver and it will give you full 5.1 channel sound, thats the nice thing about PLII, Xbox games are encoded in PLII, but even regular 2ch stuff like music etc. can be turned into full blown realistic surround sound using it. that's why i always recommend using surround receivers even for music, they have HP/LP for subs, and they have things like PLII/x/z ever since ever listened to music in PLII ive never gone back, regular two channel stereo is so boring and flat, and PLII brings out "hidden" musical details that seem to collapse in the front channels, like i never noticed Coldplays song Clocks had a synth playing in the background before. or on Slechtvalks album there is actually a female choir in the background "chanting"