Another Idiot Philly fan

[itschris]

Yes... another arrogant f-tard decided to run onto the field.. even Twittered about it beforehand. My only regret is that they didn't taser him too.

I don't know who these kind of people think they are. I really don't. The level of arrogance... and that's what it is... just really really rubs me the wrong way. There's a way to behave and I don't know why people like this think that somehow they are above not just rules, but expectations of behavior.

I read that the father of the moron who got tasered is "looking into the legalities" of the situation... READ: I'm gonna sue!

He went onto say that his son asked if he could... his response was "I really don't think that's a good idea." Not "YOU BETTER NOT! IF YOU DO, YOUR *** IS DEAD MEAT!... no... just basically looked the other way. He also said that his son never expected to be tasered. Really? Why not? What? Did he think he could just interupt the game for his nonesense and just get led out? It begs the question... if he knew he could get tasered, would he have still done it? I bet not... hence the proof of the perfect punishment. They should have tasered this guy too.

The problem in this country is that we're always so worried as being perceived as a bad guy. I don't believe at all that the "punishment should fit the crime." Absolutely not. That makes consiously doing bad things an equal trade off. If everyone understood and knew for a fact that any given punishment will be 10 times worse than what you did, you likely would see a dramatic drop in most type of crime.

I hope the Philly's tell this family to go pound sand and don't settle for a dime. I hope they drag it out and bleed those non-thinkers dry of their last penny for their arrogance and lack of being able to accept responsibility.

 

[gmichael]

As punishement he should be forced to watch the Yankees beat the Philly’s in last year’s WS, over and over again.

Just a joke. No letters please.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Yes... another arrogant f-tard decided to run onto the field.. even Twittered about it beforehand. My only regret is that they didn't taser him too.

I don't know who these kind of people think they are. I really don't. The level of arrogance... and that's what it is... just really really rubs me the wrong way. There's a way to behave and I don't know why people like this think that somehow they are above not just rules, but expectations of behavior.

I read that the father of the moron who got tasered is "looking into the legalities" of the situation... READ: I'm gonna sue!

He went onto say that his son asked if he could... his response was "I really don't think that's a good idea." Not "YOU BETTER NOT! IF YOU DO, YOUR *** IS DEAD MEAT!... no... just basically looked the other way. He also said that his son never expected to be tasered. Really? Why not? What? Did he think he could just interupt the game for his nonesense and just get led out? It begs the question... if he knew he could get tasered, would he have still done it? I bet not... hence the proof of the perfect punishment. They should have tasered this guy too.

The problem in this country is that we're always so worried as being perceived as a bad guy. I don't believe at all that the "punishment should fit the crime." Absolutely not. That makes consiously doing bad things an equal trade off. If everyone understood and knew for a fact that any given punishment will be 10 times worse than what you did, you likely would see a dramatic drop in most type of crime.

I hope the Philly's tell this family to go pound sand and don't settle for a dime. I hope they drag it out and bleed those non-thinkers dry of their last penny for their arrogance and lack of being able to accept responsibility.

I actually found it kinda funny! Did you see him hit the ground like a sack of s**t? He might not have been tased if he had just run up to one of the players and kissed him.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?blogid=95&entry_id=62855

Then again, maybe not. The hammering he would have received would make him prefer being tased...

 

[GirgleMirt]

Wow so you're advocating the use of taser when someone is posing no threat to anyone? What about when a cop pulls you up for speeding, should he then taser your *** too? Or how about punch you in the face? That should be good, since you've been endangering everyone around you, and the punishment should not fit the crime, hell, they should break both of your legs and make sure you never drive again... If that was to happen, I'm sure we'd see much less speeding now wouldn't we?

And so what, he ran on the field and disrupted your silly insignificant game... Big whoop. Looking at the vid of the event, sounds like the guy got cheers and laughs, most people probably fancied the distraction, hell, I know I would if I had to watch those spitting butt slapping pijama dressed millionnaires playing the most boring sport on earth... Really takes a big fat moron to taser a kid running around because he's too fat and in too bad shape to catch him... But yeah, guzzling beer and watching baseball will have that effect on your health and your brain.

Did anyone seriously think this kid was posing a serious threat to anybody? One which would absolutely warrant the use of taser, which btw should be used as last resort? Again, being a big fat security clown who can't run does not justify the use of tasers, they should simply hire people who can actually run and handle such a scenario.

 

[ArthurPE]

imho what's 'wrong' with 'this country' is not some guy running around on a baseball field as a prank, but that fact that we feel he should be tased, or worse, for it...

the punishment should exceed the crime? where does it end?
a guy is speeding (definitely more dangerous than this stunt), do we blind him so he can't drive? or just take his car and license for life?

a perfect example between the mindset in this country and europe...
this kid gets tased for a silly prank
a guy (a Priest iirc, same guy who tackled a runner in the Olympics) runs out on the F1 track at Silverstone during a race...
and the cops just roll up, and politely escort him into the car, he struggles a bit, but no tackling/piling on/tasing/kneeing or clubbing...just escort him to the car and take him away...

we have become one angry, bitter and intolerant country

 

[gmichael]

imho what's 'wrong' with 'this country' is not some guy running around on a baseball field as a prank, but that fact that we feel he should be tased, or worse, for it...

the punishment should exceed the crime? where does it end?
a guy is speeding (definitely more dangerous than this stunt), do we blind him so he can't drive? or just take his car and license for life?

a perfect example between the mindset in this country and europe...
this kid gets tased for a silly prank
a guy (a Priest iirc, same guy who tackled a runner in the Olympics) runs out on the F1 track at Silverstone during a race...
and the cops just roll up, and politely escort him into the car, he struggles a bit, but no tackling/piling on/tasing/kneeing or clubbing...just escort him to the car and take him away...

we have become one angry, bitter and intolerant country

I thought that the punishment I suggested would be cruel enough.

 

[Matt34]

A taser is but a tool with temporary effects which in this case stopped a disruption to a game thousands payed to watch, not some moron trying to get his 15 mins of fame. The idiot wasn't going to stop until someone tackled him risking injury to more than just him.

A taser is not a last resort tool either, not even close. There is what's called levels of force that most LE depts follow and the taser usually falls somewhere after verbal but before physical restrain.

 

[highfigh]

Yes... another arrogant f-tard decided to run onto the field.. even Twittered about it beforehand. My only regret is that they didn't taser him too.

I don't know who these kind of people think they are. I really don't. The level of arrogance... and that's what it is... just really really rubs me the wrong way. There's a way to behave and I don't know why people like this think that somehow they are above not just rules, but expectations of behavior.

I read that the father of the moron who got tasered is "looking into the legalities" of the situation... READ: I'm gonna sue!

He went onto say that his son asked if he could... his response was "I really don't think that's a good idea." Not "YOU BETTER NOT! IF YOU DO, YOUR *** IS DEAD MEAT!... no... just basically looked the other way. He also said that his son never expected to be tasered. Really? Why not? What? Did he think he could just interupt the game for his nonesense and just get led out? It begs the question... if he knew he could get tasered, would he have still done it? I bet not... hence the proof of the perfect punishment. They should have tasered this guy too.

The problem in this country is that we're always so worried as being perceived as a bad guy. I don't believe at all that the "punishment should fit the crime." Absolutely not. That makes consiously doing bad things an equal trade off. If everyone understood and knew for a fact that any given punishment will be 10 times worse than what you did, you likely would see a dramatic drop in most type of crime.

I hope the Philly's tell this family to go pound sand and don't settle for a dime. I hope they drag it out and bleed those non-thinkers dry of their last penny for their arrogance and lack of being able to accept responsibility.

I don't know how many people aren't aware that police carry TASERs but if they don't know about them, they aren't very observant. The yellow pistol-looking thing on their belts is a response to lawsuits after police shootings, so they use a "less lethal" means of subduing the person. It works pretty well, too. I think a bean-bag gun or rubber bullets would be a good idea. Looks like a shotgun and might shock people into not doing stupid things.

This isn't arrogance, it's viewers who watch BS TV shows on MTV and other channels about people who get prizes for doing "extreme" things. When I was young, these things would be called 'stupid' or 'dangerous'. Now, people think they want to push the envelope of conduct and win friends.

The dad needs to be tazed, too. He needs to be kicked in the gonads hard enough that his idiot son disappears. If this case goes to court, any judge needs to give them all a stern lecture on public conduct. In the '60s, this kid would have been beaten by the players and if anything was left, the dad would have knocked some sense into him and grounded him for a month. Parents don't have the balls to discipline their kids and 'do-gooder' organizations have made it impossible for schools and parents to handle things in their own way. I don't think abuse is needed but discipline has been replaced by telling the little f&%ks to "take a time out and think about what you did".

 

[ArthurPE]

sounds like it won't happen again, the team has decided to handle these incidents in the future...this guy did it the next game on drugs, and was not tased...this guy posed no danger, only an annoyance or inconvenience...
if I punched everybody who annoyed me, well, I'd have bloody,busted knuckles, lol

On Tuesday night, a 34-year-old man ran on the field during the Phillies next game, also against the Cardinals.

The man, Thomas Betz, of Warminster, Pa., was arrested and taken off the field without incident by team security personnel. He faces charges of marijuana possession, criminal mischief, disorderly conduct and other counts.

In response to the tasering of a 17-year-old fan who jumped the field on Monday, the Phillies have announced security staff will handle such situations in the future.

 

[highfigh]

I loved seeing some idiot running across a football field and a player would either clothes-line or throw a really hard elbow into the guy's chest, laying him flat. Then, there were the ones where a D-back, or someone, would just tackle the guy like he attacked his sister. Someone like Conrad Dobler.

 

[ArthurPE]

the father told him it was not a good idea
he never mentioned lawsuits, this is in fact what the family said...

"Steve and his family wish to apologize to all Philadelphia Phillies fans, the entire Philadelphia Phillies organization, players, staff and security, as well as the Philadelphia Police Department for what occurred that evening," attorney Steven F. O'Meara said in a statement.

"His family hopes and prays that people will understand that teenagers do impulsive things," O'Meara said. "This young man has never been in trouble before and has learned a valuable lesson."


doesn't sound like a primer for a lawsuit...

the 'lawsuit' tripe sounds like a bunch of yentas squawking

 

[ArthurPE]

I found tigers wife hitting him with a club a lot more amusing, lol
too bad we don't have that on video

 

[GirgleMirt]

A taser is but a tool with temporary effects

Unless death results and then it's not that temporary.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/03/18/f-taser-faq.html

Amnesty International says that between 2001 and August 2008, 334 Americans died after Taser shocks. The stun gun was deemed to have caused or contributed to at least 50 of those deaths, Amnesty says, citing medical examiners and coroners. Most suspects were unarmed, and many were subjected to repeated or prolonged shocks, according to Amnesty.

The human rights group has called for governments to limit the use of stun guns or suspend their use.

In November 2007, the UN Committee Against Torture released a statement saying "use of Taser X26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and… in certain cases, it could also cause death."

which in this case stopped a disruption to a game thousands payed to watch

Oh boohoo. The game stops for 30 seconds every 10 seconds for sack scratches, spitting, chewing gum and other baseball inanities. It also stops every couple of minutes for commercials. So they had to stop the game for a couple minutes because some kid ran on the field, big deal. It then started all over like nothing happened. It's not like it ruined the game in any way.

The idiot wasn't going to stop until someone tackled him risking injury to more than just him.

Fer christ sakes... And why would even tacking be a solution? Let the kid run around for five minutes, who the hell cares. When some idiot trainer gets in the face of the ref or throws balls on the fields, nobody ****ing runs and tackle him, or tases him for disrupting the game... The game itself is a tedious experiment in monotony. For every 2s of 'action', there's 30s of absolute boredom. If baseball fans despised waiting so much, there would be no baseball fans as this constitutes 99% of a baseball game.

And besides, every job has it's own set of risks. If you're a security guard working at an arena or whatnot, be aware that there might be situations requiring a little bit of physical contact. If you're not fit for the job, or are unwilling to assume the risks involved, then you shouldn't be doing the job. They were SIX, fully grown, trained man, to handle the kid, don't give me some crap about having to tase him because the kid jogging around waving towel with a huge smile on his face was too dangerous to handle... Do you people not realize how ridiculous the situation was?

A taser is not a last resort tool either, not even close. There is what's called levels of force that most LE depts follow and the taser usually falls somewhere after verbal but before physical restrain.

Please...

Also, Kennedy said Tasers should only be used in touch-stun or firing mode when suspects are "combative" or pose a risk of "death or grievous bodily harm." That recommendation was also echoed in another report on Dziekanski's death by the House of Commons public safety and national security committee.

A taser is not a harmless toy. the UN Committee Against Torture released a statement saying "use of Taser X26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and… in certain cases, it could also cause death." It should only be used when situations requires it to be used... It's not a toy for officers to play with.

 

[Matt34]

Unless death results and then it's not that temporary.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/03/18/f-taser-faq.html



Oh boohoo. The game stops for 30 seconds every 10 seconds for sack scratches, spitting, chewing gum and other baseball inanities. It also stops every couple of minutes for commercials. So they had to stop the game for a couple minutes because some kid ran on the field, big deal. It then started all over like nothing happened. It's not like it ruined the game in any way.


Fer christ sakes... And why would even tacking be a solution? Let the kid run around for five minutes, who the hell cares. When some idiot trainer gets in the face of the ref or throws balls on the fields, nobody ****ing runs and tackle him, or tases him for disrupting the game... The game itself is a tedious experiment in monotony. For every 2s of 'action', there's 30s of absolute boredom. If baseball fans despised waiting so much, there would be no baseball fans as this constitutes 99% of a baseball game.

And besides, every job has it's own set of risks. If you're a security guard working at an arena or whatnot, be aware that there might be situations requiring a little bit of physical contact. If you're not fit for the job, or are unwilling to assume the risks involved, then you shouldn't be doing the job. They were SIX to handle the kids, don't give me some crap about having to tase him because it was too dangerous to handle...



Please...



A taser harmless toy. the UN Committee Against Torture released a statement saying "use of Taser X26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and… in certain cases, it could also cause death."

You ever been tased?

 

[ArthurPE]

dood, you are waaay too rational and making too much sense...stop it!!!!
the kid needed tased, and most likely water boarded, he looked a little 'swarthy' to me...I think it was all a distraction so that the times square bomber could slip away from his house while 200 FBI were staking it out, lol
and HE didn't even get tased!

how many TV timeouts and commercials are endured when you pay to watch the game?

we have become a hard and cruel society...very angry, judgemental and intolerant...it's almost as if we hate ourselves?

Unless death results and then it's not that temporary.

Oh boohoo. The game stops 30 seconds every 10 seconds for sack scratches, spitting, chewing gum and other baseball inanities. It also stops every couple of minutes for commercials. So they had to stop the game for a couple minutes because some kid ran on the field, big deal. It then started all over like nothing happened. It's not like it ruined the game in any way.


Fer christ sakes... And why would even tacking be a solution? Let the kid run around for five minutes, who the hell cares. When some idiot trainer gets in the face of the ref or throws balls on the fields, nobody ****ing runs and tackle him, or tases him for disrupting the game... The game itself is a tedious experiment in monotony. For every 2s of 'action', there's 30s of absolute boredom. If baseball fans despised so much waiting, there would be no baseball fans as this constitutes 99% of a baseball game.

And besides, every job has it's own set of risks. If you're a security guard working at an arena or whatnot, be aware that there might be situations requiring a little bit of physical contact. If you're not fit for the job, or are unwilling to assume the risks involved, then you shouldn't be doing the job. They were SIX to handle the kids, don't give me some crap about having to tase him because it was too dangerous to handle...

Please...

A taser harmless toy. the UN Committee Against Torture released a statement saying "use of Taser X26 weapons, provoking extreme pain, constituted a form of torture, and… in certain cases, it could also cause death."

 

[ArthurPE]

You ever been tased?

yes, in training

 

[Matt34]

We should just let everyone do whatever they want, sound like a great idea. No consequences, do as you please.



Aurther,

Then you know two minutes later there is no after effects.

 

[GirgleMirt]

You ever been tased?

No, have you ever been tased?

 

[GirgleMirt]

We should just let everyone do whatever they want, sound like a great idea. No consequences, do as you please.



Aurther,

Then you know two minutes later there is no after effects.

You know, we have something called "the law" and the "judicial system". In this civilized society, Canada that is, we do not approve of summary judgement resulting in arbitrary bodily punishment. But maybe not how you guys roll in good'ol USA... Need to smack some sens in the fu**** now aintcha?

[edit: Actually, "summary judgment" isn't the correct term... "judge jury and executioner" as the saying goes, forgot the exact english term for it...]

 

[ArthurPE]

We should just let everyone do whatever they want, sound like a great idea. No consequences, do as you please.
Aurther,

Then you know two minutes later there is no after effects.

on one hand we want freedom, no government intervention, no taxes, less laws and rules...on the other hand when we have the opportunity to 'let freedom ring', with some silly antics, we want the guy tased, corraled and 'taught a lesson'...conform or suffer!!! 'we have rules here!!!"...can't have it both ways...

honestly don't remember it, remembered being a little afraid, tensing up, then being helped up to my feet with a bunch of guys laughing at me (at least I didn't piss myself like some)...I was dazed for at least 10 minutes, no real 'pain' other than some sore muscles from extreme tension

I've been 'bitten' by more powerful sources, and it's not pleasant...