Old Question, New Twist

[SopRage]

Hey, guys.

I'd been planning on getting a PB13-Ultra, but the funds just aren't there. Now I'm looking at $800 for a new subwoofer.

The question of PB12-NSD vs VTF-3 MK3 has been asked a lot, but all the comparisons I can find seem to be involving an older PB12 from before SVS upgraded the woofer (which seems to have been a significant improvement).

Based on the Ilkka tests that everyone seems to reference, the newest PB12-NSD seems to compete VERY favorably with the VTF-3 (whereas the older version did not). The Craigsub rankings also seem to reflect a score from the earlier SVS woofer so they don't seem relevant.

Does anyone have any experience with the newer PB12-NSD vs the Hsu VTF-3 MK3? A clear winner? Are either a decent upgrade from my VTF-2 MK3?

Thanks for all you guys' help!

 

[rnatalli]

I find HSU subs a hair more articulate than SVS subs in general. Don't forget to consider an Epik Empire

 

[j_garcia]

IMO, the Epik would be an upgrade for sure.

I think that since the Mk3 is already a 12", all you are going to gain may be some output compared to the two in question. If the VTF-2 is struggling, then yes, they would probably be upgrades, but I'd probalby be looking to step up a bit more so you don't spend $800 for a marginal upgrade. Have you considered just adding another VTF-2?

 

[SopRage]

I'd considered another VTF-2, but there's simply nowhere to put it. ... at all.

I must admit, I'm intrigued by the Epik Empire, but I can't find any quantitative reviews of any sort. There seems to be a frenzy for them, but short of "I think mine's amazing" I can't find any information from any sort from a third-party. Even Epik's info is pretty scarce.

Anyone have any quantitative data they can share?

 

[KEW]

IMO, the Epik would be an upgrade for sure.

I think that since the Mk3 is already a 12", all you are going to gain may be some output compared to the two in question. If the VTF-2 is struggling, then yes, they would probably be upgrades, but I'd probalby be looking to step up a bit more so you don't spend $800 for a marginal upgrade. Have you considered just adding another VTF-2?

I'm inclined to agree with J. Garcia.
I know it is not as fun, but just wait until:
1) You have the money for the Ultra
2) You either get a chance to hear or find a good review of the Epik.

The sub you have is plenty competent and would be a shame to spend that much money and perhaps not even be certain you ended up with better sound.

 

[bandphan]

Search this forum, there are some impressive Epik measurements. Or search AE for their drivers and cabinets, add a ep2500 and an EQ and your in the $800 range