I mean give me the feature set of the pioneer 1020, cut the amps and give me preouts. I refuse to believe there is no market for something like that. Bandphan I think you should make it happen.....make it happen Bandphan! One can be built for your liking. You build computers now then and this wouldnt be much different;) IMO if your gear is all up to snuff and doesnt need a higher end prepro, buying an avr for a prepro is just fine. If you have a amp for your mains (and center if allowed) upgrading a avr evey 2-3 years for 5-6 hundred dollars seems ok in the hobby. This hobby isnt a whole in the pocket hobby when compared to something like offshore fishing;) I enjoy my music every day and it doesnt cost me $600 in gas:D