Is this ad legit?

[KEW]

I saw this ad on Audiogon:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1273541773&/LSA-LSA-1-Modified-New-speaker

In the text it has:
Audioholics gave the LSA-1 their Maximum Mojo award and said:
"These speakers have the innate ability to bypass your ears and grasp your heart, soul or both. One does not “hear” them, one experiences the music."

There are further quotes attributed to Audioholics further down in the text.

I searched the Audioholics review section for "LSA", "LSA1", "LSA-1", and "Maximum Mojo" and no results were found.

So, the question is did I miss something in my search, or is this guy mis-attributing the statements to the wrong source, or did he just make it all up?

Thanks!

 

[KEW]

Okay, I found the answer.

A Google for "Maximum mojo" and "audio" resulted in a hit at Stereomojo.com which had the referenced review.

Likely, Audioholics has a larger audience and better reputation.
After calling the sellers attention to the mistake, it will be interesting to see if he corrects it.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

That's a lot of money for a pair of monitors I've never even heard of.

 

[Chicagorep]

He has over 3000 positive posts and no negative posts so the person can be trusted. For what ever that's worth.

 

[KEW]

That's a lot of money for a pair of monitors I've never even heard of.

He is local to me. In audiogon you can do a search by zip code. In my case putting "30" in the zip code boxes pretty well isolates the locations I would consider "in range" for a local audition or pick up. (eliminating concerns of shipping damage, shipping costs, and offering a cash-in-hand transaction can yield some great bargains)
When I read that Audioholics was using the quoted type of language to describe them (which is very atypical), I thought either they were something truly special or the reference was wrong.
I'm not really in the market, but if these truly were quotes from Audioholics, and the complete review was so positive, I would have checked them out and maybe carried them home.

 

[Alex2507]

He has over 3000 positive posts and no negative posts so the person can be trusted. For what ever that's worth.

You buy 'em.

Actually I looked at his feedback but was still unswayed about the speakers. Not for nuthin' but the fact that AcuDefTechGuy never heard of them carries some weight also.

I wonder if Gene owns the word 'Audioholic' like Noel Lee owns 'Monster'.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Ooouch - http://www.thelsagroup.com/msrp.html
these prices bite

 

[TLS Guy]

That's a lot of money for a pair of monitors I've never even heard of.

Those are probably the most iconic small monitors in the world. They were developed by the BBC as a result of their researches into improving monitor speakers for production and outside broadcast work. Just about anyone in the UK who was a notable in speaker design had a hand in developing them. Including but not exclusive to Raymond Cooke of KEF and Jim Rogers.

The whole project was indicative of that wonderful friendly club atmosphere that existed in those days in the UK. It nurtured me and these guys had time for a curious and enthusiastic boy.

It is unthinkable how all the competitors could enthusiastically work together on a project like that and others. I doubt we will ever see the like of it again.

The result is that just about every decent UK speaker manufacturer was able to produce that iconic design and did.

It is astonishing how it has stood the test of time.

However I doubt the seller has improved the project. Changing the damping to wool would be a definite downgrade for a start.

You have never heard of them because we babble on about far too much junk on these forums, especially speakers.

 

[KEW]

He has over 3000 positive posts and no negative posts so the person can be trusted. For what ever that's worth.

Don't put too much faith in Audiogons feedback system.

I have provided two neutral feedback posts - both for serious traders/businesses (like this guy). I don't understand Audiogon's system, but neither one made it into the seller's feedback profile.

In the more extreme case, there was shipping damage (destroyed an Aragon Soundstage).

Although Audiogon suggests that the seller should assume responsiblity for damage, the seller said I had to pursue it with FedEx. I spent 5 weeks jumping through hoops providing info to FedEx (most of which I had to get from the seller, who was slow to respond). In the end, it turns out the seller did not insure it (just the default $100 value)! The seller never told me this, and I have to believe he was hoping that the FedEx bureaucracy would wear me down before it got back to him. After this was over , he did write a check to compensate me (though I shipped the unit back to him at my cost).

I thought I was being generous to categorize this as neutral rather than negative, but he did make good in the end. However, my feedback never showed up!

Apparently the high usage guys know the tricks to block negative or neutral feedback.

It is in Audiogon's interest to make everything look as easy and safe as possible. I'm not convinced that they really offer as much security to the buyer as they like to imply.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Those are probably the most iconic small monitors in the world. They were developed by the BBC as a result of their researches into improving monitor speakers for production and outside broadcast work. Just about anyone in the UK who was a notable in speaker design had a hand in developing them. Including but not exclusive to Raymond Cooke of KEF and Jim Rogers.

The whole project was indicative of that wonderful friendly club atmosphere that existed in those days in the UK. It nurtured me and these guys had time for a curious and enthusiastic boy.

It is unthinkable how all the competitors could enthusiastically work together on a project like that and others. I doubt we will ever see the like of it again.

The result is that just about every decent UK speaker manufacturer was able to produce that iconic design and did.

It is astonishing how it has stood the test of time.

However I doubt the seller has improved the project. Changing the damping to wool would be a definite downgrade for a start.

You have never heard of them because we babble on about far too much junk on these forums, especially speakers.

Soooo is LSA1 is the original design name and brand or the BBC design was branded differently?

 

[tonedeaf]

Beware of the white van in the parking lot with one license plate screw missing,plate kinda hangs low on one side

 

[ratso]

bought my emerald physics from wally at underwood. i can vouch for his honesty and his, how shall i put it, exuberance? he really is gung ho when it comes to all things audio, and i don't think he would purposely mislead anyone. sounds to me like an honest mistake. ***edit*** to clarify, i'm speaking of wally. i know nothing of this speaker or the upgrade.

 

[ratso]

Those are probably the most iconic small monitors in the world. They were developed by the BBC as a result of their researches into improving monitor speakers for production and outside broadcast work. Just about anyone in the UK who was a notable in speaker design had a hand in developing them. Including but not exclusive to Raymond Cooke of KEF and Jim Rogers.

The whole project was indicative of that wonderful friendly club atmosphere that existed in those days in the UK. It nurtured me and these guys had time for a curious and enthusiastic boy.

It is unthinkable how all the competitors could enthusiastically work together on a project like that and others. I doubt we will ever see the like of it again.

The result is that just about every decent UK speaker manufacturer was able to produce that iconic design and did.

It is astonishing how it has stood the test of time.

However I doubt the seller has improved the project. Changing the damping to wool would be a definite downgrade for a start.

You have never heard of them because we babble on about far too much junk on these forums, especially speakers.

BTW, thanx for the history lesson. i have always been intrigued by the british monitors. have been looking at adding a small pair of harbeth's in my bedroom system.

 

[TLS Guy]

Soooo is LSA1 is the original design name and brand or the BBC design was branded differently?

Yes. LSA 1 is the BBC project name. Those monitors were made by Goodmans, and especially KEF and and Rogers. The BBC engineers at the time who went on to form their own companies, like Spendor, Harbeth and Castle, also were allowed to make them.

The British taxpayers, and everybody who has to by a license at the post office to watch or listen to the BBC were very generous back then.

Other significant projects by the BBC, were the development with 3M of the worlds first digital tape recorder. It was DASH (Digital Audio Stationary Head).

The really big project that broke the bank, was the development of the worlds first digital mixing console with Rupert Neve. This was in the early eighties. It was first used for a Christmas Eve broadcast of a Festival of Nine Lessons and Carols from Kings College Cambridge. This broadcast is Britain's annual Christmas gift to the world. It is the most listened to broadcast world wide.

When Margaret Thatcher found out how much this cost, and that no patents were applied for then, or ever, she rapidly moved to reduce funds to BBC engineering.

The fact she was furious was to put it mildly. All BBC engineering was well published for the benefit of mankind until then.

We are still benefiting from a lot of that pioneering work today.

Rupert Neve went broke on the project and had to be bought by Siemens. A warning as to the real costs of progress.

 

[Alex2507]

Something tells me at least one person preferred C3PO over R2D2.

 

[KEW]

bought my emerald physics from wally at underwood. i can vouch for his honesty and his, how shall i put it, exuberance? he really is gung ho when it comes to all things audio, and i don't think he would purposely mislead anyone. sounds to me like an honest mistake. ***edit*** to clarify, i'm speaking of wally. i know nothing of this speaker or the upgrade.

How do you like the Emerald Physics?
What have you compared them to?
Thanks

PS based on your post, he probably clipped the quotes and forgot where he got them from.

 

[Seth=L]

In terms of Audiogon's members avoiding negative or neutral feedback, that's easy, never confirm the feedback or leave your own (as the seller) and it will never show up.

 

[KEW]

Wally emailed me back and thanked me for pointing out the error.
I just checked the ad and am happy to see that he fixed it.

 

[gene]

We never reviewed those speakers and Stereomojo appears to be a hobby site as their traffic doesn't even rank on Alexa.com. That being said, the speakers may be great but we haven't verified that in any form of review on Audioholics.com.

 

[gtche]

I could be wrong on this but I do not think the LSA1 speakers from the Audiogon link are related to the BBC project. LSA Group is based out of Nashville and is only a few years old.

I have heard the LSA1 before. My local dealer carries them (along with Def Tech, McIntosh, and JL) and they did sound quite good to my inexperienced ear. The soundstage was large and the bass response was impressive for a bookshelf.