Wharfedale Diamond 10.GX sub... Need your input

[b1gf00t]

Greetings to all,

I have a Wharfedale Diamond 10.GX sub, and it is being driven by Onkyo 607.
I am facing a dilemma in my setup, and I am hoping to hear your feedback.

A brief idea about my setup.
2 x Diamond 10.7
2 x Diamond 10.1
1 x Diamond 10.cs
1 x Diamond 10.Gx sub (250W)
Onkyo 607
Blue Jeans Cables

I not feeling a difference in my sound experience whether I connect the sub or remove it. As a matter of fact when I configure my setup on the AVR to exclude the sub, am getting better clarity/quality.The front speakers were having a better bass effect when compared to the sub.

I have to touch the sub to know that it is vibrating.

I would like know what is the best way to figure out if a sub is defected, or at least that it is not performing well.

I suspect that my sub is defected, or it is just like this!

I have visited the showroom and I have tested the Diamond 9 sub and it is 1000% better than my model.

Your comments are welcomed.

PS: Wharfedale owners I would like to hear about your experience.

Thanks.

 

[walter duque]

First make sure your sub is set to ON and all your speakers are set to SMALL. That's on speaker-setup. Set your crossover to 80hz for starters. Set your crossover on sub amp all the way up and gain knob at 12 o'clock.

 

[b1gf00t]

The sub is on.
In my AVR i do not believe there is SMALL/LARGE, however I think you mean to adjust the dB of the speakers. Audyssey 2EQ set most of my speakers to -ve dB while the sub was on +9 dB.
The LFE/LPF on the AVR is set to 80, and on the sub the knob is set to 85.
Volume knob is set to middle.

Let me know if this helps.

 

[walter duque]

The sub is on.
In my AVR i do not believe there is SMALL/LARGE, however I think you mean to adjust the dB of the speakers. Audyssey 2EQ set most of my speakers to -ve dB while the sub was on +9 dB.
The LFE/LPF on the AVR is set to 80, and on the sub the knob is set to 85.
Volume knob is set to middle.

Let me know if this helps.

There should be a speaker setting small/large.

 

[AVRat]

Not on the Onkyos. As said, turn the crossover on the sub all the way up. I guess 85 IS all the way. And it's no wonder you're not hearing much difference because the sub's freq. response isn't much better than the 10.7's. I'd use a 40-60Hz crossover for the 10.7s and 80 Hz for the others in the 607.

 

[b1gf00t]

Defected sub

Thanks for your input on the calibration. However, I seriously suspect that my sub is defected. Is there a way to test/check if the sub is defected? What is the normal behavior of a sub?

When Audyssey was calibrating the speakers by sending the beep, it was crystal clear and audible by the fronts/backs, while on the sub it was barely audible. As I mentioned before the Audyssey set my speakers -ve while the sub was +8 db. I do not know if this is normal.

The reason i suspect a defected sub is because this is my second sub from the supplier. It was replaced before as the technician unplugged the cable from the AVR and touched with his finger and reported that it was defected, because It was giving a hum with no punch. On the other hand the replaced sub was giving a boom sound by testing it the same way.

I do not trust the supplier as they were unprofessional and insincere.

I would like to make sure that neither my sub nor my AVR are defected, and then I will calibrate the sound.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation

 

[AVRat]

Well the first to try is running the receiver’s test tone, pg 72. Then try using the R/L speaker connections playing some bassy music without the 10.7s and the crossover in the receiver set to Full. You could very well have another defective sub. Looking at that sub’s capabilities, I would recommend searching for a better sub if that’s possible.

 

[POR1967]

Hi,

i have exactly the same speaker configuration driven by a Denon 1910 and the same complain about the sub, feel some sub impact near max gain.

Joaquim

 

[b1gf00t]

Hi,

i have exactly the same speaker configuration driven by a Denon 1910 and the same complain about the sub, feel some sub impact near max gain.

Joaquim

Hi Joaquim,

I thought I would touchbase to check if there is any improvement. I can't believe wharfedale with their nice speaker sets would come up with such a sub!

Awaiting your feedback.

 

[b1gf00t]

Well the first to try is running the receiver’s test tone, pg 72. Then try using the R/L speaker connections playing some bassy music without the 10.7s and the crossover in the receiver set to Full. You could very well have another defective sub. Looking at that sub’s capabilities, I would recommend searching for a better sub if that’s possible.

Hi,

I was off for some time, and my reply now is a bit late. Nevertheless, what subs can you recommend that would go lower than my 10.7s ad give me the desirable LFE in movies. my stretched budget is $ 1000. I always buys the best bang for the buck.

Regards,

 

[AVRat]

What country do you live in and what is the volume of your acoustic space?

 

[krzywica]

Emotiva is having a sale right now. You could get 2 Ultra 12's for well under $1K ($718).
http://emotiva.com/ultra_sub12.shtm
Or you can wait a while you can get dual Epik Legends. They are supposed to start shipping in Aug for $899.
http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/legend.html

 

[MonkeysHamlet]

Hey before you buy anything, turn the levels all the way up on your sub, using the knobs on the back of it, volume and set the crossover as high as possible. Then rerun audyssey this, way Audyessy will be able to set the levels properly. Also if you have a phase switch experiment with that and see if you get more output with zero or 180. This doesn't make any sense. Everyone else is right though, that sub is only advertised as going down to 30hz same as your towers. However I would still expect you to hear a considerable difference in volume on low end with the sub as compared to without it.

Have you ever ran the audyessy set up? Since I've gotten a receiver that has it I swear by it. It makes all the difference in the world if you're a normal person who doesn't own an SPL meter.

 

[dapack69]

The sub is on.
In my AVR i do not believe there is SMALL/LARGE, however I think you mean to adjust the dB of the speakers. Audyssey 2EQ set most of my speakers to -ve dB while the sub was on +9 dB.
The LFE/LPF on the AVR is set to 80, and on the sub the knob is set to 85.
Volume knob is set to middle.

Let me know if this helps.

Actually your receiver does have the large/small setting. They just named it different recently.

When you go into the Audessy settings, your front speakers may be set to full range, this is large. Set them to 80 and that would be small and your good to go.

 

[Subless]

Hey guys, I just signed up because I found this thread with Google. I'm experiencing exactly same problem as the OP.

I'm running through my Audyssey setup but the subwoofer sound is so quiet that the Audyssey doesn't detect it all! I can barely hear the test tone myself even if I put everything to max.

My setup is

10.6 x2
10 CM
10.1 x2
10 GX subwoofer
Denon 1610 AVR

I've hooked up the subwoofer just like they recommend in the manual: //i25.tinypic.com/72q9g7.jpg (1 RCA from sw preout to sw left input). I can't post links so add h t t p in front of the link.

OP, did you find any solution?

 

[MonkeysHamlet]

I have Swan Diva 6.1's which are big towers with dual 8" woofers and im running a $120 Dayton subwoofer from parts express and I can hear my sub. So I guess we have to assume that the Wharfedale sub is just not very good... Do you have it positioned in a corner? And again, check your phase setting. That can make noticeable difference.

 

[Subless]

I have Swan Diva 6.1's which are big towers with dual 8" woofers and im running a $120 Dayton subwoofer from parts express and I can hear my sub. So I guess we have to assume that the Wharfedale sub is just not very good... Do you have it positioned in a corner? And again, check your phase setting. That can make noticeable difference.

Yes, I have it pretty close to a corner. I've also tried different settings. You know that's just complete BS to assume that that a subwoofer worth 500 euros doesn't make a sound powerful enough to be heard!

My earlier sw was Audio Pro Sub Focus (250 euros) and it made a hell of a bass sounds in movies and in music.

I'm going to visit the store I bought the sw today and ask the clerk.

 

[Subless]

Okay, I got mine working now. Here's what I did:

1. Connected sw to AVR with RCA -> 2xRCA wire (to both left and right input in the sw)
2. Sw volume to maximum position (instead of 12 o'clock position recommended in the manual)
3. Low pass filter to 45Hz from the sw (instead of 35Hz recommended in the manual)

4. Did Audyssey automatic calculations, then finetuned the results by myself
5. From AVR Tone Control I increased bass to +3 (default was 0)
6. I set all speakers to Small (10.6 and 10 CM are recommended to be set to Large in the manual, but I prefer it this way)

7. I played some bass heavy music in the background and then made some minor changes to my AVR settings for stereo music listening just by listening with my bare ears
8. I played a movie with some good action scenes in the background (Transformers etc.) and then made some minor changes to my AVR settings for 5.1 digital sounds just by listening with my bare ears

With lower volumes the subwoofer is pretty quiet, but when I turn up the volume (when watching movies for example) it really starts to kick in.

I'm pretty satisfied with the results now.