why are used oppo bdp-83's so expensive??

[chris357]

frankly on electronics that just sit there i'm not real worried about anything beyond the first year.. so that isnt a deal killer.. however not getting a warranty and only saving 50-100 bucks to me is a deal killer.

anyway i'm thinking that once i get a spiff check and a couple other things come in I'm getting the se you only live once and whats a few hundred with what I've dropped on the rest of my stuff

 

[bogrod]

I considered buying the SE, but I could not justify the additional money, particularly when the real core advantage to the SE is the analog outs (7.1 and 2 channel). I'm using HDMI only, so there was no real reason to basically spend nearly twice the amount as the 83.

 

[j_garcia]

I considered buying the SE, but I could not justify the additional money, particularly when the real core advantage to the SE is the analog outs (7.1 and 2 channel). I'm using HDMI only, so there was no real reason to basically spend nearly twice the amount as the 83.

Yes, but if the DACs are better in the SE than your processor, then the SE would still have been an improvement. I notice the improvement with moves not just music.

 

[Seth=L]

They hold their value because they are in high demand, much like Emotiva amps and SVS subwoofers. Try getting an SVS or Emotiva something or other for much less than what it retails for, it's just not going to happen that often.

 

[bogrod]

Yes, but if the DACs are better in the SE than your processor, then the SE would still have been an improvement. I notice the improvement with moves not just music.

(shrug) Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD is Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD. No offense, but with a properly functioning processor/decoder (wherever in the chain it is) I doubt you'd hear a difference in double-blind. And I have serious doubts that you'd (double-blind) hear a difference with music sources either.

If I still had my old receiver, I perhaps would have considered purchasing the SE, as it did not decode any of the hi-def audio formats, yet had 7.1 analog in.

 

[j_garcia]

(shrug) Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD is Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD. No offense, but with a properly functioning processor/decoder (wherever in the chain it is) I doubt you'd hear a difference in double-blind. And I have serious doubts that you'd (double-blind) hear a difference with music sources either.

Think what you like. I actually have the SE and I know what I hear. It isn't that the sound is different, it is that the better DACs handle the sound in a different way reproducing detail and depth better. Granted with movies, it isn't as big of a difference as it is with music. Everyone who I've talked to who has gone from a standard 83 to the SE has made this same comment immediately.

If I still had my old receiver, I perhaps would have considered purchasing the SE, as it did not decode any of the hi-def audio formats, yet had 7.1 analog in.

If you JUST said that it doesn't make a difference, why would you bother even consider this?

 

[bogrod]

Think what you like. I actually have the SE and I know what I hear.

Of course you do. With respect, I am not doubting that at all. Still, I think you'd fail a double-blind.

It isn't that the sound is different, it is that the better DACs handle the sound in a different way reproducing detail and depth better. Granted with movies, it isn't as big of a difference as it is with music. Everyone who I've talked to who has gone from a standard 83 to the SE has made this same comment immediately.

Again, see my comment above.

If you JUST said that it doesn't make a difference, why would you bother even consider this?

If I was using a legacy receiver, I would consider a SE, but it's doubtful I would still go for it. If anything, I might buy it for enhanced resale value to bring in people who are attracted to the "better" DAC's.

 

[Ron Temple]

Of course you do. With respect, I am not doubting that at all. Still, I think you'd fail a double-blind.


Again, see my comment above.


If I was using a legacy receiver, I would consider a SE, but it's doubtful I would still go for it. If anything, I might buy it for enhanced resale value to bring in people who are attracted to the "better" DAC's.

I can see setting up a DBT between an 83 and SE via analog and easily hearing a difference. A DBT between the SE or 83 via HDMI would yield no difference. A DBT between an SE via analog vs HDMI letting the AVR decode utilizing whatever auto/eq and staggered BM in the AVR would definitely be detectable. I couldn't tell you which you'd prefer, but it's going to be different, not only the DACs, but the processing involved is going to change things up. It's almost apples and oranges because it would be difficult to level match and you wouldn't want to eliminate the processing on the AVR.

I agree the SE works best for those of us with legacy AVR and/or dedicated 2 channel pres and not so much for those that have capable AVR or pre/pros. I happen to fall within that group. If I was in yours, I'd probably have stuck with the 83. However, I can't agree that a DBT would fool anyone under the conditions I described above.