Runaway Toyotas. You saw it on this site first!

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NicolasKL

Full Audioholic
It's an 08 Corvette with 18K kms. It had a little squeak in the Targa roof when it was new, but a little shot of spray silicone silenced that and it's never come back.
So your almost brand new high end GM doesn't rattle? That's not really a very convincing argument.

Even my 02 Camaro did not develop any squeaks or rattles the whole time I owned it and that car had T-tops.
Every 4th gen F Body I've been in with more than 60k miles rattled like a paint can, and I've been in quite a few.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
So your almost brand new high end GM doesn't rattle? That's not really a very convincing argument.



Every 4th gen F Body I've been in with more than 60k miles rattled like a paint can, and I've been in quite a few.

My parents have always had Chevy trucks and they only had one that had a dash rattle in it.....and that truck (95 Z71 4x4) had 265,000 miles on it. YMMV but the worst vehicles I've been in that have developed interior noises have come from the Dodge Chrysler corporation.

All of these little rattles are mild compared to police vehicle that has been modified with a dog cage in the back seat, it rattles and barks.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I have added another blog page, covering further developments and GM's problem with accidents and incidents involving their electronic power steering.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
This might have already been covered, but, what's the deal with Lexus in all this? I know I see Lexus ES mentioned in articles, but does Lexus have the same problem as Toyota?

My co-worker drivers a Lexus ES
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
This might have already been covered, but, what's the deal with Lexus in all this? I know I see Lexus ES mentioned in articles, but does Lexus have the same problem as Toyota?

My co-worker drivers a Lexus ES
Yes, it involves Lexus also. The fiery crash involving the off duty California Highway patrol officer, that killed four was a Lexus vehicle apparently out of control.
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
Yes, it involves Lexus also. The fiery crash involving the off duty California Highway patrol officer, that killed four was a Lexus vehicle apparently out of control.
Any idea what years are affected?

There is so much of the same information on the 'net we can't find if his model is a problem. 2005 ES 300.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Any idea what years are affected?

There is so much of the same information on the 'net we can't find if his model is a problem. 2005 ES 300.
I think this is pretty much generic to anything from Toyota in the US from 2001/2002 era.

My personal hunch is that it is related to location of the PCV valve and above all the design of the throttle body. This seems to me to be very nasty by the pictures. See my first blog on this. When the weather gets warmer, I'm tempted to to some dismantling to this area and see just how nasty.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
OK, I've been away from the boards for a while, and I'm sorry. Busy man, more important things going on.

Now, everyone in here has there own 2 cents about the topic. That's great, keep up the creativity. Tomorrow I'm going to bring home the TSB for the problem from my dealership and put everything to bed. So, if you think you're right, post up clearly what you think it is. Winner gets told whats up!

SheepStar
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
The problem with the pedal only affects the Non Denso models. Anything made in japan should be fine (Denso pedals) Apparently it's a Moisture problem. Didn't get a chance to see the TSB papers today.

Lexus will be addressing the ES and IS series only. These are the models that can be affected. The fix is an ECU re-flash and rimming of the pedal so there is no chance of catching.

I work for a Lexus dealership, and share a lot with a Toyota dealership. Do not dismiss the likeliness of improper floor mats being hte cause of some crashes. I see countless numbers of cars with 3 or 4 floor mats, and some with the entire interior floor covered with some form of plastic paper. It's ridiculous. People should know that it's dangerous, and it even says on the rubber floor mat (The OEM one) that no other floor mats should be installed when using it. People can't read, people are lazy, people are stupid, what ever reason floats your boat. The fact that this is happening shows how doomed the human race really is.

Pretty epic first post back if I do say so myself.

SheepStar
 
Davemcc

Davemcc

Audioholic Spartan
People can't read, people are lazy, people are stupid, what ever reason floats your boat. The fact that this is happening shows how doomed the human race really is.
Blame the customer...Toyota's corporate policy up till now.:rolleyes:

I've never gone so far as to call Toyota owners stupid, but since Sheep just confirmed it, it must be true.:D
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I haven't read all of this thread, so apologies if this is redundant.
I worked in a manufacturing environment for Japanese automotive supplier for awhile as Engineering Test Lab Supervisor. The Japanese have an interesting approach, whenever a flaw was found in our product by one of our customers, my company would:
1) obfuscate and deny the nature of the issue (even though we established it as our fault in the lab)
2) work feverishly to rework/redesign to eliminate the problem

Usually this resulted in the problem disappearing before it came to a head. Sometimes, if the problem lasted very long, procedures require an explanation and my company (understand this is total BS) would maintain that the components from other suppliers were on one extreme of the tolerance, but since we were such a "good supplier" we'd narrowed our tolerance to resolve the issue. People are busy and will generally accept whatever explanation is offered as long as the problem got fixed.
This seems typical for the Japanese. Their culture makes them very reluctant to place blame and the easiest way to avoid having to place blame is to never admit the problem.

I always wondered, when reading Consumer Reports' evaluation of the number of recalls and technical bulletins, what the numbers would be like if the Japanese were as forthright as other countries in admitting their mistakes.

I got a fair amount of pressure to "cook" the data from the Test Lab to reflect management's preferred version of the problem (it would be cleaner for them to have these "adjustments" to the data made at the source). I'm proud to say I never yielded, but I'm also quite happy not to work there anymore. Those were bad years.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
In case any morons try to bring this up, the brake problem with the hybrids is nothing to worry about. They are just reducing the delay when the car switches from regenerative braking to hydraulic braking. This has come up when people stop on Man hole covers.

SheepStar
 
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