Building Inspectors Make Life Hell (Just Venting)

basspig

basspig

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I'm by no means a rich guy, though some people mistake the fruits of my austere living and frugal nature that saves money for the one passion I have in life, as wealth.

I live in a 44 year old house that's got lots of problems. But I built it and when you put blood, sweat, tears and ruin your health to accomplish something, it means a lot to you. It is also the 'vessel' that harbors all that has meaning in my life.

Well, all that's under assault now..
I have a serious emergency with my electric power feed that was reported by an inspector from the neighboring town while in the area to inspect a neighbor’s home that had recently had a fire.

CL&P called me to say there was a “public safety hazard” with my electrical service connection to the house and that the problem must be corrected promptly or service would be disconnected.

The house was still fed by a temporary electric hookup that dates back to 1966. I realized that was going to be a massive expense to complete the underground trenching and finish installation. It was on my list, but only after the house itself was secured. That connection has deteriorated substantially, though I’ve taken steps to shore it up so as to reduce immediate risk of fire, but it looks dangerous just the same and greatly concerned the inspector.

The problem is, it’s going to cost many thousands of dollars to bring this up to code, and this happens at a time when I can barely make my property tax payments. I’m self-employed and in transition to another line of work as a videographer, as the previous work (in radio engineering) has dwindled to nothing due to a change in market conditions. I earned less than $4,000 gross income in 2009. My wife works a factory job, earning barely above minimum wage, despite 12 hour workdays. I work from home while looking after my 5 year old daughter, who is a special needs child.

As if the lack of funds to make these repairs were not enough, the more serious threat to the safety of our existence is that any electrical work, I’m told, will need a building permit and inspection. This is something I cannot risk, as the house itself would likely be condemned because of its condition and some unique aspects of its construction. I’m in the middle of trying to repair my roof, by myself, and eventually doing the demolition of a third floor unfinished structure, which wasn’t built to code. I have to repair the roof underneath, as the unfinished shack on top of it is the only thing keeping rain out of the house below at the moment. (I had two contractors out here in 2003 to look at my roof and they told me they would have to pull a permit to do the repairs and from the looks of the house, it would open Pandora’s Box, as there are multiple code violations with that upper floor that would result in condemnation of the property. They also quoted the repairs as costing over $100,000, which was totally out of my ability to finance.

The more immediate emergency is this electrical service safety issue, for which I have only a matter of days to correct. I have no funds to do so. If I managed to borrow the funds, repayment would take away money earmarked for tax payments and I would be forced into delinquency for lack of funds. There is the money problem and the building inspector problem (because I don’t know whether the inspector is going to expand the scope of his inspection beyond the outside electrical hookup—for all I know, he may take an interest in the rest of the house and condemn the structure because of the unfinished, not to code, upper story.)

So here I am in the position of having my power disconnected in the dead of winter and there’s nothing I can do to stop it. I just want to be left alone to pursue my living, without additional problems with the authorities invading my home and making demands I cannot comply with as an indigent person. I’m a survivalist who is very independent and I’ve been getting along okay before this nightmare entered my life. We don’t have a pretty home or a great lifestyle, but at least we have a roof over our heads and we’re not on welfare, but pulling our own weight. But I can’t deal with this sudden burden hoisted upon us. I need an electrician and excavator who could either donate, barter or take an extended payment plan.

In the 'one goddamned thing after another' dept., my wife just got a letter from Citibank, stating that they cancelled her credit card. It was our only source of emergency funding that we might have been able to use for this project. Well, that's how my week has been... and you guys think YOU have problems!
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Ares

Ares

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Mark does your state offer some type of assistance program for homeowners?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I'm by no means a rich guy, though some people mistake the fruits of my austere living and frugal nature that saves money for the one passion I have in life, as wealth.

I live in a 44 year old house that's got lots of problems. But I built it and when you put blood, sweat, tears and ruin your health to accomplish something, it means a lot to you. It is also the 'vessel' that harbors all that has meaning in my life.

Well, all that's under assault now..
I have a serious emergency with my electric power feed that was reported by an inspector from the neighboring town while in the area to inspect a neighbor’s home that had recently had a fire.

CL&P called me to say there was a “public safety hazard” with my electrical service connection to the house and that the problem must be corrected promptly or service would be disconnected.

The house was still fed by a temporary electric hookup that dates back to 1966. I realized that was going to be a massive expense to complete the underground trenching and finish installation. It was on my list, but only after the house itself was secured. That connection has deteriorated substantially, though I’ve taken steps to shore it up so as to reduce immediate risk of fire, but it looks dangerous just the same and greatly concerned the inspector.

The problem is, it’s going to cost many thousands of dollars to bring this up to code, and this happens at a time when I can barely make my property tax payments. I’m self-employed and in transition to another line of work as a videographer, as the previous work (in radio engineering) has dwindled to nothing due to a change in market conditions. I earned less than $4,000 gross income in 2009. My wife works a factory job, earning barely above minimum wage, despite 12 hour workdays. I work from home while looking after my 5 year old daughter, who is a special needs child.

As if the lack of funds to make these repairs were not enough, the more serious threat to the safety of our existence is that any electrical work, I’m told, will need a building permit and inspection. This is something I cannot risk, as the house itself would likely be condemned because of its condition and some unique aspects of its construction. I’m in the middle of trying to repair my roof, by myself, and eventually doing the demolition of a third floor unfinished structure, which wasn’t built to code. I have to repair the roof underneath, as the unfinished shack on top of it is the only thing keeping rain out of the house below at the moment. (I had two contractors out here in 2003 to look at my roof and they told me they would have to pull a permit to do the repairs and from the looks of the house, it would open Pandora’s Box, as there are multiple code violations with that upper floor that would result in condemnation of the property. They also quoted the repairs as costing over $100,000, which was totally out of my ability to finance.

The more immediate emergency is this electrical service safety issue, for which I have only a matter of days to correct. I have no funds to do so. If I managed to borrow the funds, repayment would take away money earmarked for tax payments and I would be forced into delinquency for lack of funds. There is the money problem and the building inspector problem (because I don’t know whether the inspector is going to expand the scope of his inspection beyond the outside electrical hookup—for all I know, he may take an interest in the rest of the house and condemn the structure because of the unfinished, not to code, upper story.)

So here I am in the position of having my power disconnected in the dead of winter and there’s nothing I can do to stop it. I just want to be left alone to pursue my living, without additional problems with the authorities invading my home and making demands I cannot comply with as an indigent person. I’m a survivalist who is very independent and I’ve been getting along okay before this nightmare entered my life. We don’t have a pretty home or a great lifestyle, but at least we have a roof over our heads and we’re not on welfare, but pulling our own weight. But I can’t deal with this sudden burden hoisted upon us. I need an electrician and excavator who could either donate, barter or take an extended payment plan.

In the 'one goddamned thing after another' dept., my wife just got a letter from Citibank, stating that they cancelled her credit card. It was our only source of emergency funding that we might have been able to use for this project. Well, that's how my week has been... and you guys think YOU have problems!
:eek:
I don't think you want to fry in the night, so you have to solve it. The electrical inspector will confine himself to electrical issues, and usually just the work done.

I would rent a small back hoe from your local rental. At least around here they are easily had and the rent for half a day quite small.

Then dig the trench yourself. If you don't know how to use it, I bet you have a neighbor near by that does, especially as you are rural.

As far as I know the utility have to provide the cable and hook up to your panel. As I understand it, it is the utilities responsibility to provide the link from the transformer to your panel, but they do charge for trenching.

PM Rickster he is an electrician and a good one. He will be able to tell you the drill.
The other option is to have the utility company do the work and see if you can work out a payment plan with them.

I know around here that Beltrami Electric insist on doing all this work themselves.

What are the issues in your upper story that are not to code? If there is a fire danger, then you should not have your family in the home anyway. Fire hazards not only risk your and your families lives, but those of emergency personal also. It is just not acceptable to sit on fire hazards for any reason.
 
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griffinconst

Senior Audioholic
I am a builder of new homes and deal with electric providers regularly. Try to anwer a few questions for me.

Can you just fix up what you have now to meet code and at least get you through the winter?

Is this temp connection overhead? If so, why does your permanent connection have to be underground? No trenching = less money.

Are you somehow plugged into this temp pole or does your house have an electrical main panel?
 
basspig

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griffinconst,
We have a main panel, and part of the permanent feed is already installed. It comes out of the ground 25' from the house, to a meter, mounted on a board affixed to a tree that has long since grown and rotted and died in parts. The wiring underground is okay, except for the fact that the original electrician only used #4awg for the neutral, which is insane, when he used 600 amp cables for the hot leads coming from the main breaker to the meter box on the side of the house. I few years ago, I ran an external ground cable to help with that neutral, as load balancing became an issue.
So we've got a 200A Cutler-Hammer main panel, 600A teflon-coated feed wires going through 2" conduit out to the meter box on the exterior wall. There's a couple of metal plates in there to bypass that nonexistent meter, as there's an actual meter on the tree, 25' away. From the meterbox on the house, 2" conduit goes underground, through the foundation wall (foundation wall was poured after the conduit was in place), continues another 13' or so and goes through a 90° bend and exits the ground, to the bottom of a rusted out NEMA box, where a splice is, and then into the utility meter above. Both look like they're falling down, and are lashed to the tree with ropes.

The issues are that 2" conduit does not meet current code.
The existing meter box on the house has less than 36" of work space around it, maybe only 30" in some directions. And it is only 3' off the ground, not the required 5'. I may try to get a variance of some sort, as this isn't really a safety hazard, but a convenience matter for utility meter readers, which are obsolete because the meters are read remotely nowadays.

My desire was to continue underground to the utility pole, 90' away.
My feed has an interesting feature, which is probably the reason why, in 44 years, we have never had any appliances destroyed during a thunderstorm: the excess feed wire is looped 4 times, forming an inductor/choke. While my neighbors report losing a TV, well pump, other appliances about every other summer, we've had nothing ever blow up when lighting hits nearby. We're at a high altitude on a mountaintop, so the homes are constantly getting struck by lightning up here. I've noticed the homes with the overhead wires feeding the house catch on fire when lighting gets drawn in via the overhead wires, igniting the roof on fire. That's why I chose to keep service underground. Other reason is trees are often falling in the woods, and the last several outages were due to large limbs falling on wires. Our area is a dense forest of tall trees. One across the road was struck by lightning last June and a big chunk of it exploded and fell on the road, striking the wires on the way down.

The good news, finally, is an electrician I had out here a couple days ago called me and said he'd talked to the power company and the building inspector about whether a temporary feed replacing the temp I have now, would be acceptable and for how long. The town said indefinately. CL&P said 1-2 years max. We talked about this plan and he told me an estimate of $750 for materials, and he'd donate his labor. He mentioned that a local church might be able to fund the materials, which would reduce the cost considerably, or to none, even. So that's up to CL&P whether they can wait (it's been like this for 44 years, I think another week or two won't be that much worse) until the church decides whether to fund the material cost or not. That would give us to the spring of 2011 to get on our feet financially and put in the underground feed.


Now, I would have dug the trench myself, but we're located on ledge. It's iron-ore-rich, I'm told by one of the civil engineers that looked at my job site and no ordinary backhoe would work. It may require blasting in some cases, but at the very least, large boulders would have to be moved, plus cutting though 4-5 tree roots along the way.


TLS Guy,
The roof is rotted (it's a flat shed roof, fully enclosed). Portions of it collapsed gradually around 1999-2003 and squirrels were nesting inside between rafters at one point. I demolished one room at a time starting in 2003 and rebuilt the roof and exterior walls using pressure-treated lumber. I've been upgrading the insulation and finally putting on siding as well. In 2004, I rebuilt the spare bedroom. Before I started, it was literally like that scene in "A Series of Unfortunate Events", where you could look up through the ceiling and see the sky coming through in parts! In 2005-06, I rebuilt the roof over the kitchen and dining room. These areas were all on the east side, which is the lower end of the roof, the direction in which all the water runs. I rebuilt it with an overhang, so water no longer runs down the ext wall and soaks it, like it used to. The ext walls has to be rebuilt, upper floor, lower floor, all the way to the foundation sill! An enormous amount of repair work has been done already.
At the present, I am halfway done rebuilding the roof and as I move further uphill, the rot is less extensive. Now I no longer have replace entire joists, but simply sister up with PT joists and put in bracing every 24" and insulate to about R70. Once the roof is done, and I've cut away all the 'shack' walls that sit on top of the roof, (think of a 970 sq ft penthouse with a 17' high ceiling and sloping roofs), I'll start demolishing the penthouse structure and remove it. At the moment, it's keeping the majority of the rain and snow from coming through the failing roof it sits upon.
There is no danger from electrical fire hazards within the house. All wiring is BX armoured cable and all junction and outlet/switch boxed are steel. Most of the wiring is #12 and some is #10, except for the range which is #4 and #4 feeding the outlets that feed the 50A dryer-style outlet that feeds the stereo equipment racks. We have been dealing with mold problems from time to time, but the worst of the rotted stuff has been carted away over the last 7 years. We've thrown out about 140 cu yds of debris from the demolition over that time frame--this is a HUGE job! I was quoted $170,000 to do this work by two different contractors in 2003. I kid you not. I've literally rebuilt nearly all of the framing from foundation to roof on 1/3 of the house so far.
Fortunately, the west side was protected by a 3' overhang and is undamaged. I'm surgically repairing roof that is under the walls of the penthouse, by cutting away the bottom 4' of the penthouse walls and putting stilts in after the roof under a given section is rebuilt and watertight. The east half is almost to a point where I can demo that half of the penthouse and continue repairing the west half of the roof.
This project has been a terrifying one, as my legs are not as stable as they used to be when I was younger, and I have an inner ear disorder which affects my balance. I can't walk a straight line so I can't walk near the edge of a roof, as I could fall off for loss of balance. So I have to employ various techniques for working up there, but it's nerve-wracking just the same.


Ares
I've tried getting assistance, but there's no programs for this kind of thing that we qualify for. Habitat for Humanity doesn't work in our area, which is an upscale neighborhood that built up around us in the '90s. When I first moved here, there was nothing else around, except an FM radio tower down the road. It was 7 miles of dirt roads traveled to get to my cow path. We roughed it for a lot of years in the early days before snow plows. Often would park out by the main road and walk through 3' of snow to the house. Glad I don't have to do that anymore, as we don't get much snow since 1980.
Anyhow, I try to avoid government assistance. It's taking gifts from the devil. The less I have to deal with government, the better things go.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
griffinconst,
We have a main panel, and part of the permanent feed is already installed. It comes out of the ground 25' from the house, to a meter, mounted on a board affixed to a tree that has long since grown and rotted and died in parts. The wiring underground is okay, except for the fact that the original electrician only used #4awg for the neutral, which is insane, when he used 600 amp cables for the hot leads coming from the main breaker to the meter box on the side of the house. I few years ago, I ran an external ground cable to help with that neutral, as load balancing became an issue.
So we've got a 200A Cutler-Hammer main panel, 600A teflon-coated feed wires going through 2" conduit out to the meter box on the exterior wall. There's a couple of metal plates in there to bypass that nonexistent meter, as there's an actual meter on the tree, 25' away. From the meterbox on the house, 2" conduit goes underground, through the foundation wall (foundation wall was poured after the conduit was in place), continues another 13' or so and goes through a 90° bend and exits the ground, to the bottom of a rusted out NEMA box, where a splice is, and then into the utility meter above. Both look like they're falling down, and are lashed to the tree with ropes.

The issues are that 2" conduit does not meet current code.
The existing meter box on the house has less than 36" of work space around it, maybe only 30" in some directions. And it is only 3' off the ground, not the required 5'. I may try to get a variance of some sort, as this isn't really a safety hazard, but a convenience matter for utility meter readers, which are obsolete because the meters are read remotely nowadays.

My desire was to continue underground to the utility pole, 90' away.
My feed has an interesting feature, which is probably the reason why, in 44 years, we have never had any appliances destroyed during a thunderstorm: the excess feed wire is looped 4 times, forming an inductor/choke. While my neighbors report losing a TV, well pump, other appliances about every other summer, we've had nothing ever blow up when lighting hits nearby. We're at a high altitude on a mountaintop, so the homes are constantly getting struck by lightning up here. I've noticed the homes with the overhead wires feeding the house catch on fire when lighting gets drawn in via the overhead wires, igniting the roof on fire. That's why I chose to keep service underground. Other reason is trees are often falling in the woods, and the last several outages were due to large limbs falling on wires. Our area is a dense forest of tall trees. One across the road was struck by lightning last June and a big chunk of it exploded and fell on the road, striking the wires on the way down.

The good news, finally, is an electrician I had out here a couple days ago called me and said he'd talked to the power company and the building inspector about whether a temporary feed replacing the temp I have now, would be acceptable and for how long. The town said indefinately. CL&P said 1-2 years max. We talked about this plan and he told me an estimate of $750 for materials, and he'd donate his labor. He mentioned that a local church might be able to fund the materials, which would reduce the cost considerably, or to none, even. So that's up to CL&P whether they can wait (it's been like this for 44 years, I think another week or two won't be that much worse) until the church decides whether to fund the material cost or not. That would give us to the spring of 2011 to get on our feet financially and put in the underground feed.


Now, I would have dug the trench myself, but we're located on ledge. It's iron-ore-rich, I'm told by one of the civil engineers that looked at my job site and no ordinary backhoe would work. It may require blasting in some cases, but at the very least, large boulders would have to be moved, plus cutting though 4-5 tree roots along the way.


TLS Guy,
The roof is rotted (it's a flat shed roof, fully enclosed). Portions of it collapsed gradually around 1999-2003 and squirrels were nesting inside between rafters at one point. I demolished one room at a time starting in 2003 and rebuilt the roof and exterior walls using pressure-treated lumber. I've been upgrading the insulation and finally putting on siding as well. In 2004, I rebuilt the spare bedroom. Before I started, it was literally like that scene in "A Series of Unfortunate Events", where you could look up through the ceiling and see the sky coming through in parts! In 2005-06, I rebuilt the roof over the kitchen and dining room. These areas were all on the east side, which is the lower end of the roof, the direction in which all the water runs. I rebuilt it with an overhang, so water no longer runs down the ext wall and soaks it, like it used to. The ext walls has to be rebuilt, upper floor, lower floor, all the way to the foundation sill! An enormous amount of repair work has been done already.
At the present, I am halfway done rebuilding the roof and as I move further uphill, the rot is less extensive. Now I no longer have replace entire joists, but simply sister up with PT joists and put in bracing every 24" and insulate to about R70. Once the roof is done, and I've cut away all the 'shack' walls that sit on top of the roof, (think of a 970 sq ft penthouse with a 17' high ceiling and sloping roofs), I'll start demolishing the penthouse structure and remove it. At the moment, it's keeping the majority of the rain and snow from coming through the failing roof it sits upon.
There is no danger from electrical fire hazards within the house. All wiring is BX armoured cable and all junction and outlet/switch boxed are steel. Most of the wiring is #12 and some is #10, except for the range which is #4 and #4 feeding the outlets that feed the 50A dryer-style outlet that feeds the stereo equipment racks. We have been dealing with mold problems from time to time, but the worst of the rotted stuff has been carted away over the last 7 years. We've thrown out about 140 cu yds of debris from the demolition over that time frame--this is a HUGE job! I was quoted $170,000 to do this work by two different contractors in 2003. I kid you not. I've literally rebuilt nearly all of the framing from foundation to roof on 1/3 of the house so far.
Fortunately, the west side was protected by a 3' overhang and is undamaged. I'm surgically repairing roof that is under the walls of the penthouse, by cutting away the bottom 4' of the penthouse walls and putting stilts in after the roof under a given section is rebuilt and watertight. The east half is almost to a point where I can demo that half of the penthouse and continue repairing the west half of the roof.
This project has been a terrifying one, as my legs are not as stable as they used to be when I was younger, and I have an inner ear disorder which affects my balance. I can't walk a straight line so I can't walk near the edge of a roof, as I could fall off for loss of balance. So I have to employ various techniques for working up there, but it's nerve-wracking just the same.


Ares
I've tried getting assistance, but there's no programs for this kind of thing that we qualify for. Habitat for Humanity doesn't work in our area, which is an upscale neighborhood that built up around us in the '90s. When I first moved here, there was nothing else around, except an FM radio tower down the road. It was 7 miles of dirt roads traveled to get to my cow path. We roughed it for a lot of years in the early days before snow plows. Often would park out by the main road and walk through 3' of snow to the house. Glad I don't have to do that anymore, as we don't get much snow since 1980.
Anyhow, I try to avoid government assistance. It's taking gifts from the devil. The less I have to deal with government, the better things go.
The whole situation sounds like a nightmare!
 
basspig

basspig

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It has been, but that's the price of homeownership when you didn't come from a family of average or above-average means. I had to fight, claw, scratch for every little thing I got in life. It was no easy task.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

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It has been, but that's the price of homeownership when you didn't come from a family of average or above-average means. I had to fight, claw, scratch for every little thing I got in life. It was no easy task.
I hear you there. I grew up in an environment that was: Do the minimum to get by.

I think I had a kind of awakening around my 15th year when I would see my dad and uncles just half-a$$ stuff.

House repairs, Cars, etc... What I figured out is that they didn't view anything as a long term investment. They would rather get a junker car and let it bleed them to death to the point of not being fixable and start the process over again.

Put new flashing on the roof? Nope, just bang out the old stuff (roof leaked like a sieve, rotted the framing/insulation/drywall) then more half baked fixes.

The best thing I ever did for myself was purchase a new car:

1. Reliable
2. Warranty
3. I KNOW what my cost was going to be every month
4. Never late for work. Didn't have to worry about getting fired because couldn't drive it for a week.

I feel for you but it seems like you need to take some longer term approaches from what I am reading between the lines.
 
basspig

basspig

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For me, a 3 year old vehicle is the sweet spot. New is too expensive on taxes. Nothing like buying a new car and getting whacked with a $2K tax bill the following year!

My wife bought an '06 Explorer last year, when her '89 Mitsubishi Galant reached the point where it had too many major problems to fix (it had over 300K miles on it). Timing was perfect: gas was $5/gallon and the local Ford dealer had about 40-50 Explorers on the lot that were traded in for smaller vehicles. She got it for $13K with a 75K mile ext warranty. Sticker price was in the paperwork in the glove compartment: originally $35K for that vehicle. We still got whacked pretty hard on taxes, but far less than $2K.

As for me, I got issues... the term 'selective stupidity' comes to mind. 'Was never good in areas outside my passion, which is sound and cinematography. I was a lousey factory worker and an even lousier insurance salesman.
Now that I have a daughter who's on the Autism spectrum, I am learning things about myself that made me realize that I, too, have many of her symptoms, but at the time when I went to school, Autism had not been discovered or named as a medical condition. I was a flop, socially, until the internet made it possible for me to communicate in a normal manner. Needless to say, my inability to focus on a typical job kept my employment at a given company short. Eventually I realized I was better off self-employed. :)
Only problem is people don't feel comfortable in my presence, and I don't have the ability to 'think on my feet' the way normal people do. As I'm walking out the door to a client prospect, I may just then have a good response to an objection come to mind, but I feel frustrated that I couldn't think of it while I was still engaged in discussion with the prospective client. Slow mental process..
About selective stupidity, one can be brilliant in a couple of narrow areas, but abyssmally stupid in others. I'm great in using the cameras and recording gear, but despite all the self-help books I've read, I STILL can't make a good impression on someone in a sales call. Heck, I can't even get past the front desk at most companies I pitch my services to! I'm also a total dunce in math. It takes me 2-3 months to figure my taxes every year--and that's WITH tax software. My mind just freezes like molasses at the North Pole when I have to do anything involving math calculations and record keeping.. I have no short-term memory. I read something, put a piece of paper aside, and then I forgot what I was supposed to do with it. I end up reading something ten times before I retain the required info to enter it somewhere else. And doing taxes just ... well, sucks!
I'm pretty much a dinosaur and I'll admit that I can't keep up with the young folks in this world, who're much brighter, quick-minded and witty. It's not my particular talent. I'm NOT a people person.
And here's another thing: I refuse to accept my lot in life as a poor person! I want nice things! I suppose it was a compensation for the shitty childhood I had. Everyone hated me because I was obviously from a poor family. We didn't even have running water or working plumbing at one point in my adolescent years. Being a bit slow, mentally, I got constant ridicule in school--kids just know when you're 'different'.
As I grew to adulthood, I became very materialistic. Especially when I spent the next forty years seeking a female companion and suffering a steady stream of rejections. Not one date in forty years! I had a couple of 'blind' dates that were arranged, but I know now why they call them 'blind' dates: because you WISH you were blind when you see them! Forty years of having something like that missing from your life makes you irreversibly-weird and materialistic. I became single-minded and obsessed with sound and later with video. Anything that wasn't practical, like my Bolex H-8, I lost interest in. I wanted things that were flexible, reusable and provided rapid results. My autistic nature makes me very impatient. I hated to wait for film development to see what I'd shot a week ago. I wanted it NOW darnit! :)
I eventually figured the loud bass was some sort of substitute for sex. Like the base jumper, I lived and got closer and closer to the edge, wanting ever louder, more concussive whole-body experiences. Somehow I had developed tolerance for it. Other people can't stand a fraction of what I find 'enjoyable'. To me, if it isn't life-threateningly loud, it just doesn't fulfill my need for that thrill. Yeah, I'm a real sick puppy...
 
droht

droht

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basspig, I'm guessing you don't want to relocate, but given how you describe your property I would think it has some nice cash value. A mountain-top location in high rent Connecticut could go for big bucks, even if someone tears down the existing structure and starts over. The relocation thing also seems like a not-so-bad idea when reading about your business not booming and your wife not having a great job.

If I were in your shoes I think I'd be mighty tempted to load up the truck and move to someplace with a little more opportunity and a little lower cost of living.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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The good news, finally, is an electrician I had out here a couple days ago called me and said he'd talked to the power company and the building inspector about whether a temporary feed replacing the temp I have now, would be acceptable and for how long. The town said indefinately. CL&P said 1-2 years max. We talked about this plan and he told me an estimate of $750 for materials, and he'd donate his labor. He mentioned that a local church might be able to fund the materials, which would reduce the cost considerably, or to none, even. So that's up to CL&P whether they can wait (it's been like this for 44 years, I think another week or two won't be that much worse) until the church decides whether to fund the material cost or not. That would give us to the spring of 2011 to get on our feet financially and put in the underground feed.
Wow, looks like I missed the party. :)
Glad to hear you're making some progress on this. It sounds like you've got a lot on your plate.

I'd think the ground up there would be too frozen to dig anyway.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Wow, looks like I missed the party. :)
Glad to hear you're making some progress on this. It sounds like you've got a lot on your plate.

I'd think the ground up there would be too frozen to dig anyway.
Modern hydraulics allow you to dig anytime of year, even up here where it freezes hard 6 ft or more down.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Modern hydraulics allow you to dig anytime of year, even up here where it freezes hard 6 ft or more down.
We're babies down here.:eek::)
Many of these operators claim it beats up their machine too much.
 
basspig

basspig

Full Audioholic
The property is unsaleable. In 1999, when my taxes quadrupled at revaluation time, I tried to sell it, but not one real estate agent would list it.
Part of the problem is that it is built on top of a wetland. I literally filled in a swamp and build right up along the edge of it.
In the late 70s, the new laws went into affect.. no construction allowed within 150' of a wetland. Well the wetland passes just 20' from my house. No part of my 1/2-acre parcel is more than 150' from the pond and stream, so basically, the entire lot is non-buildable by today's standards. No one wants it, but try convincing the tax assessor that the property isn't worth anything when my neighbor's house is assessed at $1.2M and there's a country club at the end of my road with a 19-hole course. Many CEOs live around here, including the president of CBS Records, that Australian who hosted Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous, and numerous other well off people, living in 8,000+ sq ft homes along the lake at the bottom of the mountain. Had my house been normal and in a normal lot (hey, I bought my piece of swamp land for $1850), it would have been worth a million and I could have sold it, but then I would have been a different person, smart, able to earn a living, instead of this perverse creature who gets off on bass... LoL..
Around here, the neighbor's cars cost more than my house is worth! My next door neighbor paid $181K for his Mercedes S550. To them, I'm the slum that they must endure driving past every day. Ugh.. I hate rich, snotty brats. If they don't like the 'neighborhood' then why the hell did they move in??

It's a pisser, either way.

Relocate? This was meant to be my retirement home. I intend to die here, unless I solve the mystery of eternal life.
 
dougg

dougg

Junior Audioholic
Grangfathered.

Your service on the house should fall under Grandfathered clause if safe to the code it was installed. Get a Permit to mount a Metrer base to the House and hook to your House Service.
Just make sure Your House Service is safe to the old Code!
Call the Inspector and tell them Your intentions and Mention the Grandfather Clause, worth a try!
Be polite and nice, if You Piss them off they can make it Impossible, they are a Minor God!
Doug S.
 
droht

droht

Full Audioholic
I would think you can sell your house and someone could build simply using your foundation and "adding on". I've heard of similar situations, though I obviously don't know the details so I am speculating greatly here. I suppose if no realtors wanted to touch it then I am probably wrong.

I tend to look for a way out of an untenable situation via the most direct route possible. If you cannot sell it your best alternative may be to just walk away from it. Declare bankruptcy and start over somewhere else. It seems that staying where you are will only put you further down the rabbit hole.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
I would think you can sell your house and someone could build simply using your foundation and "adding on". I've heard of similar situations, though I obviously don't know the details so I am speculating greatly here. I suppose if no realtors wanted to touch it then I am probably wrong.

I tend to look for a way out of an untenable situation via the most direct route possible. If you cannot sell it your best alternative may be to just walk away from it. Declare bankruptcy and start over somewhere else. It seems that staying where you are will only put you further down the rabbit hole.
I believe that is pretty spot on, as long as you can build off of the original footprint(foundation) there are usually no limitations on the renovations one can do except maybe a limit on the floor levels as per the foundation specs which means one could go completely brand new , one wall at a time, in the selling aspect of said property but Bassspig wants to stay and fulfill his dream of the home ownership and well being so that is prolly all a mute point anyhow.
 
basspig

basspig

Full Audioholic
The laws have changed since I first built here.. it is now 2-acre zoning. But my land abutts a protected wetland, so it cannot be combined with the wetland to make a buildable lot. We are also in a housing glut. There are thousands of homes up for sale, nice homes, with no buyers. My home has an in-ground 2000 gallon oil tank, which is a no-sale issue under the new EPA laws as well. So it would cost me $8000 to have it removed just to have the privilage of legally putting it on the market. What a dumb law. Meanwhile the town dumps 90,000 gallons of oil onto the roads and then sands them, to make macadem surface. The oil runs off into the groundwater. And they're worried out the 1 in 1000 oil tanks that might have a small seepage..

I've been advised by a friend, whose intentions I consider questionable, to just walk away, back in 1998. But I prefer access to my stereo equipment over sleeping in my car. And I have been through bankruptcy once already. The new laws are much harder. Property tax liens cannot be discharged in bankruptcy anyway.

If someone gave me a house somewhere else that was:

1. built to withstand a 20KT nuke blast at 5000'
2. had deep well water that tasted this good
3. was high enough up that it was safe from ANY flood
4. has a track record of lightning safety
5. in an area where there is no violent crime
6. has me grandfathered so my stereo listening isn't complained about by neighbors
7. has no neighbors within 1/4 mile
8. has suitable rooms for my business and HT to operate
9. is constructed sturdily enough not to fall apart when I play my 150dB bass levels
10. is 100% owned by me with no mortgage

then I might consider a move, but such a house would be pricey. And I like this area. Maybe a house in the Rockies might be my other choice of a place to live. But my moving days are long behind me. I just want to live out my few remaining years in peace, free of interference from others.
 
majorloser

majorloser

Moderator
We're babies down here.:eek::)
Many of these operators claim it beats up their machine too much.
Since he only needs to run a duct bank from the drop to the house, he'd be better off using a Ditchwitch trencher with a rock chain. They can also be rented.




As far as "grandfathering", I believe he stated the service was installed as a temporary construction service. So it's probably not going to fly. Besides, I'd be willing to bet that if he got grandfathered for the electrical, he wouldn't be able to pull any more construction permits till the deficiency was addressed.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
Since he only needs to run a duct bank from the drop to the house, he'd be better off using a Ditchwitch trencher with a rock chain. They can also be rented.

That's a good point Dave.
Sounds like a good idea, as long as all the turns (if any) are long subtle sweeps.
We tend to use a back-hoe so the trench is wide enough to work in, and if parts of it cave in, a laborer can go in and hand dig.

Sounds like some states allow their rural areas a bit of latitude.
Down here the trench has to be inspected, and can't have any standing water; also a metallic foil caution tape buried at least 12" above the conduit.

Don't forget to call for a markout before you dig.
 
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