So, it seems that unions will be exempt from the health tax.

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10010011

Senior Audioholic
First point:
The Unions got a deal other Americans didn't even get a chance to negotiate for.
This is typical political pandering to a special inters group. All politicians do it. Obama promised he was different.
What happened to "Change?"
It's payback; because without the unions he wouldn't be president.
Unions don't vote and Unions have no more pull over who people vote for than Pastors, pundits, and talk radio celebrities.
Second:
President Obama said the Health Care debates / negotiations would be public and televised on CSPAN.
They have not been, and that promise was broken. This was a 'back room' deal with the unions.
Obama was wrong to make that promise because the President does NOT have the authority to decide what Congressional or Senatorial meetings debates / negotiations will be public and televised.

Even Rush Limbaugh has conceded this fact.

To make an apples to apples comparison, teachers don't work all year.
Here in NJ teachers work 180 days a year, with summers off. That's not a bad gig.

So to make a fair comparison, you would have to use 9 months worth of pay for an average worker and compare that to the teacher's 9 months.

My next door neighbor teaches math and makes $55K not counting benefits. My brother in law makes $85K teaching English.
Not bad for 180 days a year with summers off.
http://www.k12.wa.us/SAFS/PUB/PER/SalAllocSchedule.pdf
K-12 public school teachers in this state have to buy their own classroom supplies and spend their summers attending MANDATORY training that they have to pay for out of their own pocket.

Anymore talking points to debunk?:rolleyes:
 
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Alex2507

Alex2507

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If teaching is such a bad gig, why are there more applicants than jobs?
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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Anymore talking points to debunk?:rolleyes:
There's nothing to debunk.
We were promised 'Transparency' in government, and no deals with special interest groups, and we don't have that.
I don't mean to pick on Unions; they were just involved in the most recent broken promise by the president.





 
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Rickster71

Rickster71

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This movie did it for me as far as schools and that profession goes:


 
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10010011

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There's nothing to debunk.
We were promised 'Transparency' in government, and no deals with special interest groups, and we don't have that.
I don't mean to pick on Unions; they were just involved in the most recent broken promise by the president.
:rolleyes: Yes, because EVERY SINGLE President has kept EVERY SINGLE campaign promise they ever made, until Obama.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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:rolleyes: Yes, because EVERY SINGLE President has kept EVERY SINGLE campaign promise they ever made, until Obama.
I didn't say that, and you know it.

You are making my point for me.
I know all politicians lie and pander, and are the same.
This one said he was different.
Though it sounds like your an apologist, and you're defending this one.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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K-12 public school teachers in this state have to buy their own classroom supplies and spend their summers attending MANDATORY training that they have to pay for out of their own pocket.
Many professionals pay out of pocket to stay current within their skill sets.
My wife and I both take mandatory classes on our own time, and at our own expense.
Without summers off.
 
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NicolasKL

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I think Rick covered this fairly well, don't you?
No. Citing two people who for some reason make vastly more than the average? Anecdotal evidence like that is meaningless.

As far as the number of days worked that's something to consider but you can't just say "well, they work 20% less days so their pay is really 20% more" because it's unlikely they'll be able to find a temporary summer job that will pay very well. Most of the teachers I know end up doing summer classes at a reduced salary or retail or deliverying pizzas or something.

And we're not just talking about teachers here, of course.

They do when it comes to alcohol, tobacco, sales tax, etc...
But they don't when it comes to some things, as I said.

You're hemming and hawing here. You either believe union/government workers should pay what everyone else does, or you don't.
No I'm not, I stated precisely what I think and why I think it, no hemming or hawing involved.

There is no wage/benefits disparity here. The costs of HC plans are figured into everyone's "compensation package", whether they are union or not.
Yes, there is. You didn't understand what I said. Union jobs have frequently have better benefits than their salary would indicate. They've foregone salary increases for benefit increases. Two jobs might both have a total compensation package of 50,000 but a union job may be 30k salary and 20k benefit while non-union 37k salary and 13k benefit. The union member may therefore be taxed on a caddy plan while the non-union wouldn't, even though their total compensation is the same. That's a wage/benefit disparity, and knowing many people that work state union jobs, it very much exists. I thought it was common knowledge that state jobs typically had really good benefits compared to comparable low paying private sector jobs.
 
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raffin

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All this arguing over who does or doesn't have to pay tax on cadillac health insurance plans, why should ANYONE have to pay a TAX on a healthcare plan????? :mad: It's absurd!!! So much for "we won't take away anyone's existing healthcare plan". And I thought we lived in a "free" country.
 
Tomorrow

Tomorrow

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All this arguing over who does or doesn't have to pay tax on cadillac health insurance plans, why should ANYONE have to pay a TAX on a healthcare plan????? :mad: It's absurd!!! So much for "we won't take away anyone's existing healthcare plan". And I thought we lived in a "free" country.
Not 'free'. Gotta fight for freedom. But you're absolutely right. Our economy is being tanked by a couple hundred people who are absolutely ignoring the will of their electorate. Sounds like an oligarchy (and an evil one at that) to me. The deals being cut behind closed doors (so much for the 'change' of transparency) are nothing short of legislative corruption.

Oh yeah, and just for fun, here is the national average teacher scales....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary

Moreover, teachers fringe benefit packages average 26% of salary as opposed to 17% in the rest of the U.S....
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/18/pf/easy_teachers/

Poor teachers? .... I personally don't think so.
 
billy p

billy p

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Not 'free'. Gotta fight for freedom. But you're absolutely right. Our economy is being tanked by a couple hundred people who are absolutely ignoring the will of their electorate. Sounds like an oligarchy (and an evil one at that) to me. The deals being cut behind closed doors (so much for the 'change' of transparency) are nothing short of legislative corruption.

Oh yeah, and just for fun, here is the national average teacher scales....
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary

Moreover, teachers fringe benefit packages average 26% of salary as opposed to 17% in the rest of the U.S....
http://money.cnn.com/2003/07/18/pf/easy_teachers/

Poor teachers? .... I personally don't think so.
Wow those numbers appear kind of low compared to the pay scale in these parts...;). Our teacher pension owns MLS(Maple Leaf sports & entertainment) they own the local hockey,basketball and Soccer team...oh and did I mention the buildings in which those teams play. I'll be a wee bit conservative and say its worth about 4-5 billion.
 
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oppman99

Senior Audioholic
Yeah, but I'd end up shootin' the little ba$tards. So I'd have to give them something for the extra restraint.
There are days where it has crossed my mind! :eek: Then I remember prison = BAD!
 
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markw

Audioholic Overlord
I've ignored most of your usual verbal diarrhea in order to cut to your most telling statement.

Yes, there is. You didn't understand what I said. Union jobs have frequently have better benefits than their salary would indicate. They've foregone salary increases for benefit increases.
Well then, they should have to pay taxes on it like everyone else, particularly if they are worth more than other workers.

Simple, no?
 
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