Speaker Auditioning--Tucson, AZ--Frustrating

Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Matt

If you're in the Tuscon area, I know of a DIY speaker designer with a very good reputation named Lou Coraggio. I'm not certain, but I believe he lives there.

I don't know him but other DIY designers I do know think he does very good work. I understand he has cancer and is now recovering from a course of chemotherapy that laid him low. Try contacting him and see what he is able to do. His experience and advice, alone, would be worth hearing. From the photos in his web site, his wood work is first rate. His well written veneering instructions are widely used and recommended by DIY speaker builders. I used that the first time I ever veneered and it worked well.

I've heard one of his designs, the Cryolite, and I like it a lot.

He apparently also sells custom designed speakers.

Since I'm the Salk fanboy of record, Salk does have a 30 day money back policy. You pay the shipping.

And yes, I agree that Song Surround Is make excellent small bookshelf speakers.

I have a pair of DIY speakers that are essentially the same as, but not exactly identical to SSIs. See the CAOW1 link in my signature. You can build them for a lot less than buying SSIs, around $500 in parts. I saw your photos of the sub you built, you could easily build 2-way cabinets that are 12.5" high × 8" wide × 10.5" deep. PM me with an email address, and I can send you cabinet drawings and other details.
 
Matt34

Matt34

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I got in contact with him and we are going to schedule a demo with a few pairs of speakers he has on hand. We are going to talk more about the Cryolites as well as him doing the veneer on my sub so that it matches whatever speakers I decide on. I'm pretty pumped about this, thanks Swerd!!
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I got in contact with him and we are going to schedule a demo with a few pairs of speakers he has on hand. We are going to talk more about the Cryolites as well as him doing the veneer on my sub so that it matches whatever speakers I decide on. I'm pretty pumped about this, thanks Swerd!!
Great, I'm glad to hear that. Apparently he had surgery and chemotherapy in the past year. It's good that he seems to be on the mend.

After you see and hear what he can do, you'll forget all about those B&Ws or Paradigms :D.

Please, let us know what happens.
 
M

MatthewB.

Audioholic General
Come to think of it, I only moved here because my brother (who likes college sports) liked it here. I thought it was too brown.

Now I love it, yet I don't like college sports - guess that just confirms what you all have know for a while. :) Oh, and I don't have much money... :D

Don't worry Adam, those of us without much money seem to have more "common sense" than those without. As evidence of you meeting to maybe get speakers hand made. Congrats on the hook-up.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Don't worry Adam, those of us without much money seem to have more "common sense" than those without. As evidence of you meeting to maybe get speakers hand made. Congrats on the hook-up.
Unfortunately, Matt is the one with the sense who is meeting about the speakers. I still fall in the "more money than common sense" category...I was just saying that I don't have much money. :D
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
According to my first look today at the 2010 comp plan, I don't have any money.

Where do you buy that common sense stuff?
...I was just saying that I don't have much money. :D
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Another design I'm also looking at is GR Research's N2X. They work with the finished PE .05cu/ft enclosures which is an added bonus.

http://www.gr-research.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=148
The N2X uses the same BG Neo3 PDR tweeter as in the Cryolite - interesting. Overall I like that tweeter, with one problem.

I have been recently working with a friend on a DIY design with that same tweeter that was going to be crossed to a different woofer at about 2200 Hz. The tweeter has a large dip (about 5 dB) in response around 3000 Hz (roughly from 2700 to 3300 Hz). We had to go with a different tweeter because we couldn't find a way to deal with that dip. That dip made for too much of a laid-back sound. It wasn't unpleasant sounding, but lost too much detail.

When you see Lou Coraggio, ask him if he had any problems with that 5 dB dip with that tweeter. I noticed that he used a 2400 Hz crossover in the Cryolite and the N2X uses a lower 1900 Hz crossover. If that dip is always present in those tweeters, the N2X should have a more audible problem in the 3000 Hz range. It's now my opinion that the Neo3 PDR tweeter should be crossed over no lower than 3500 Hz, but maybe Lou had different experience.

The N2X mini-monitor uses a sealed box and the Cryolite uses a ported reflex box. I would expect more bass from the Cryolite.

If you are thinking about using one of the PE pre-made cabinets, you should be aware of one thing. Both the rectangular and curved cabinets are very well made with a sturdy interior cross brace and a removable front baffle. So far so good :). But the brace divides the floor space in two, so your crossover will probably have to be split into two separate boards. If your crossover has large parts, it will be a challenge to get it all to fit in. The curved cabinets have less floor space than the rectangular ones. Look on the PE site to see if there are pictures of the interior of these cabinets.

My experience was with the PE 0.37 ft³ cabinet. Their 0.5 ft³ cabinet may not be such a problem.

The PE finishes are good, but the maple and cherry finishes are not real maple and cherry veneer. They use some rather plain-grained unspecified blond hardwood, which is clear-coated for the maple and stained a cherry-red for the cherry. They don't look bad, but they're not the real thing.
 
Matt34

Matt34

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The Cryolites are still top of my list ;), the Dayton 180 used is a proven woofer. I've seen the inside of those enclosures and read where people have had to break up the cross-over to fit.
 
matthewdclarkaz

matthewdclarkaz

Audioholic Intern
I feel your pain

Matt34,

I feel your pain as well. I live in the Tucson area and we have very little in the way of good a/v shops. My friend and I are actually taking a trip up to phoenix this weekend to check out some places up there, see if they are any good. I've been searching for places up there, and haven't found nearly as many as I thought I would have.

Did you come across any places (besides mentioned in the thread) that sounded decent in your search?

Thanks, and good luck.


Matthew
 

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