SPL meter and speaker levels

ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
Hello, I just calibrated speaker output levels with a SPL meter using the receiver's test tones, I was told to match all levels @ 75dB and the sub about 5dB hotter. When all was done mains were at +1dB, center +2dB, surrounds -3dB and sub -12dB. I'm just wondering if this sounds right to you guys, the reason I ask is that now after doing this I have to turn volume up on receiver a lot higher than before calibration. Thanks to all who respond.
Jeff
 
GlocksRock

GlocksRock

Audioholic Spartan
That sounds like it could be right on, one thing you may do is to turn down the gain on your sub a bit and up the output on the receiver a little bit. It's normal to have to turn up the volume on the receiver higher now as well, especially if you calibrated using 0 on the receiver volume.
 
XEagleDriver

XEagleDriver

Audioholic Chief
Couple ?s

Hello, I just calibrated speaker output levels with a SPL meter using the receiver's test tones, I was told to match all levels @ 75dB and the sub about 5dB hotter. When all was done mains were at +1dB, center +2dB, surrounds -3dB and sub -12dB. I'm just wondering if this sounds right to you guys, the reason I ask is that now after doing this I have to turn volume up on receiver a lot higher than before calibration. Thanks to all who respond.
Jeff
Jeff,

Would you provide some more specifics on a couple points:

1) How much higher? What was your "average" volume level (either clock position or dB display) before and what is it now after you calibrated?

2) What make and model receiver?
(Some allow you to adjust the volume input by input which may help you compensate across the board while keeping your leveling adjustments intact)

3) Did you use the SPL meter in the "C" and "Slow" mode?

Cheers,
XEagleDriver
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
FYI - I've got the gain on my sub set to about the quarter mark. That's all it needs - this keeps the level adjustments on the receiver fairly consistent with the rest of the setup.
 
ahblaza

ahblaza

Audioholic Field Marshall
Jeff,

Would you provide some more specifics on a couple points:

1) How much higher? What was your "average" volume level (either clock position or dB display) before and what is it now after you calibrated?
Before was about 57 dB, after about 68dB
2) What make and model receiver?
(Some allow you to adjust the volume input by input which may help you compensate across the board while keeping your leveling adjustments intact)
I have an Onkyo TX-SR702, which does allow me to adjust volume input by input. Have not used it though.
3) Did you use the SPL meter in the "C" and "Slow" mode?
Yes I did it in the "C" and "Slow" mode
Cheers,
XEagleDriver
My sub gain is set at about 1/3 volume. I never used auto setup with receiver and just set speaker output levels manually all about the same, pretty high I might add (ie) +10 dB and sub 0dB. I really didn't know any better. The reason for the SPL meter purchase was I just bought a amp to drive mains and thought after reading this forum I would go ahead and try to set my speaker output levels to match each other.
Jeff
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
My sub gain is set at about 1/3 volume. I never used auto setup with receiver and just set speaker output levels manually all about the same, pretty high I might add (ie) +10 dB and sub 0dB. I really didn't know any better. The reason for the SPL meter purchase was I just bought a amp to drive mains and thought after reading this forum I would go ahead and try to set my speaker output levels to match each other.
Jeff
Where the levels are on the receiver isn't as important as what dB reading you're getting on the SPL meter.
 
W

westcott

Audioholic General
I would try to set all of the speakers and subwoofer to 75dB and listen to it for a while before making any changes.

Make sure the SPL meter is in the primary seating position and is pointing towards the ceiling, but placed at ear level while seated.

A sweep of the entire frequency range with the SPL meter should be graphed to see where the peaks and valleys are. Then you can work on speaker and subwoofer placement to rectify what you find from the sweep. Any decent AV calibration DVD should have what you need to get the job done.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
 
C

Chitown2477

Audioholic
I would try to set all of the speakers and subwoofer to 75dB and listen to it for a while before making any changes.

Make sure the SPL meter is in the primary seating position and is pointing towards the ceiling, but placed at ear level while seated.

A sweep of the entire frequency range with the SPL meter should be graphed to see where the peaks and valleys are. Then you can work on speaker and subwoofer placement to rectify what you find from the sweep. Any decent AV calibration DVD should have what you need to get the job done.

Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.
Could someone please describe the process to sweep the entire frequency range with the SPL meter to create a graph? I am looking to do this soon and simply want to understand the process better. I would rather go this route than using the MCAAC on my Pioneer Elite. Would like to see if this gives me a more natural sound - after tweaking placement and paneling I have.
 
W

westcott

Audioholic General
Could someone please describe the process to sweep the entire frequency range with the SPL meter to create a graph? I am looking to do this soon and simply want to understand the process better. I would rather go this route than using the MCAAC on my Pioneer Elite. Would like to see if this gives me a more natural sound - after tweaking placement and paneling I have.
The test DVD you choose should generate the frequencies you wish to test. Set up the SPL meter (I would use a tripod to reduce any chance of interferance) in the prime listening position. Start playing frequencies and record the changes in dB level at every frequency tested. This should give you the data you need to see where the highs and lows are in your frequency range. The greatest advantage is at the lower frequencies (100 Hz and below) because they affect the overall sound of the room most drastically. If you have a lot of peaks in the lower range, try moving the speakers away from the walls. Same for the subwoofer. Start the subwoofer in the center of the room, directly in front of the main listening position. If you have a good subwoofer, base reinforcement should not be a concern or necessity.

Re Test.

This is easy, it just takes a LOT of testing and experimenting. Once the main speakers are semi situated, start on the subwoofer location. Same philosophy but remember the subwoofer has the most dramatic affect on the frequency response of the rest of the range.

Once you have data, try to eliminate the valleys and humps in the overall frequency response. If you have to pick a poison, it is better to eliminate the humps in frequency response (below 100Hz) because they will overpower the midrange frequencies.

PM me if you need more help as you go along. This is a tedious process but far safer to implement without destroying the predictability of room response (i.e. equalization is bad).
 
C

Chitown2477

Audioholic
Thanks a bunch for the information. As soon as I get my new sub (eD A3-300), I am going to perform this testing. I agree that not using the EQ is ideal. As a comparison to the manual testing, my Pioneer Elite has the ability to download room response test results to my PC (pre-calibration). I will compare my manual test readings to this just to see how close the results are for curiosity sake.
 
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