YPAO problem

[jeanseb]

OK guys, here's another question for the pros:

I've always use YPAO to calibrate my system. After listening a CD on an another system (not as good as mine), I tought the same CD sounded like **** on mine. I knew something was wrong. I went into the sound settings - equalizer. I then disabled the "Auto EQ". My system sounded SO MUCH better!

Why do YPAO set your system to sound like an iPod dock? Isn't it suppose to make your system better?

How can I calibrate my system to reach his full potentiel?

Thanks!

 

[TLS Guy]

OK guys, here's another question for the pros:

I've always use YPAO to calibrate my system. After listening a CD on an another system (not as good as mine), I tought the same CD sounded like **** on mine. I knew something was wrong. I went into the sound settings - equalizer. I then disabled the "Auto EQ". My system sounded SO MUCH better!

Why do YPAO set your system to sound like an iPod dock? Isn't it suppose to make your system better?

How can I calibrate my system to reach his full potentiel?

Thanks!

Leave Crapo off and be happy. Those systems are quality spoilers. Get an spl meter to calibrate speaker levels. Good speakers do not need those type of systems. If auto Eq systems could just confine themselves to the region below 100 Hz there might be some benefit.

 

[jinjuku]

OK guys, here's another question for the pros:

I've always use YPAO to calibrate my system. After listening a CD on an another system (not as good as mine), I tought the same CD sounded like **** on mine. I knew something was wrong. I went into the sound settings - equalizer. I then disabled the "Auto EQ". My system sounded SO MUCH better!

Why do YPAO set your system to sound like an iPod dock? Isn't it suppose to make your system better?

How can I calibrate my system to reach his full potentiel?

Thanks!

YPAO is normally used for surround sound EQ'ing. Not stereo. By disabling the EQ you went into direct mode.

If you have a decent stereo setup then your need of EQ will hopefully be eliminated or reduced to needing only a band or two of EQ.

 

[supervij]

For what it's worth, I listen to CDs using my receiver's Pure Direct mode. This turns off all processing and even turns off the video circuitry. I feel it gives me the best sound for 2-channel sources.

cheers,
supervij

 

[jeanseb]

Should I disable AutoEQ for movies also? IMO it's sound better, more kick and more dynamic range...

 

[zumbo]

I used YPAO on my 1400. It always sounded better than any other setting.

I use YPAO on my Z7. It also sounds better than any setting.

The key is to set proper BM before running YPAO. Then, select SKIP during YPAO set-up on any option that has to do with BM.

The other key is dead silence while running YPAO. Make sure a/c, heat, fridge, ceiling fans, and any other slight noise is off. Traffic outside can also influence the outcome. Dead silence is the key.

Pure direct sounds like crap on my Z7 compared to stored settings.

 

[jeanseb]

I used YPAO on my 1400. It always sounded better than any other setting.

I use YPAO on my Z7. It also sounds better than any setting.

The key is to set proper BM before running YPAO. Then, select SKIP during YPAO set-up on any option that has to do with BM.

The other key is dead silence while running YPAO. Make sure a/c, heat, fridge, ceiling fans, and any other slight noise is off. Traffic outside can also influence the outcome. Dead silence is the key.

Pure direct sounds like crap on my Z7 compared to stored settings.

What do you mean by "BM"?

Thanks!

 

[jeanseb]

Update:

After disabling my AutoEQ, I got more kick out of the system. I then made a reset on my subs, so my phases went back from 180 to 0 degre. They play so much better than before!

My question is, why did my subs sounded better at 180 degres when I had the AutoEQ, and now, with AutoEQ off, they sound drasticly better a 0???


Thanks!

 

[zumbo]

What do you mean by "BM"?

Thanks!

This is why YPAO gets a bad rap. People think it's this magic thing that automatically sets-up your receiver for you. That is not so. One must have the knowledge to set proper BM(bass management), along with other settings for the speakers and equipment connected to the receiver. All of this information can be found at Audioholics set-up tips.

Once the receiver is set-up correctly, and the room is dead silent, YPAO can be properly run. It has always made a difference in my systems.

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/bass-management-basics-2013-settings-made-simple

 

[jeanseb]

This is why YPAO gets a bad rap. People think it's this magic thing that automatically sets-up your receiver for you. That is not so. One must have the knowledge to set proper BM(bass management), along with other settings for the speakers and equipment connected to the receiver. All of this information can be found at Audioholics set-up tips.

Once the receiver is set-up correctly, and the room is dead silent, YPAO can be properly run. It has always made a difference in my systems.

http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/get-good-bass/bass-management-basics-2013-settings-made-simple

So, I should "Skip" SP Size and EQ? Any others?

 

[zumbo]

Perform in this order.

Page 78 in your manual.
Set LFE/Bass out to SWFR(employs crossover setting)
Set all speakers to SMALL(employs crossover setting)

Page 79 in your manual.
Set crossover to 80Hz
Set subwoofer phase to NORMAL

Page 82 in your manual.
Set Dynamic Range to MAX.

Page 34 in your manual.
Select FRONT in number 5.
Select SKIP for speaker size.
Run YPAO

Page 81 in your manual.
AUTO PEQ should appear as the setting. Selecting EQ OFF will disable YPAO. You can hear the performance difference toggling between the two here.

 

[jeanseb]

Perform in this order.

Page 78 in your manual.
Set LFE/Bass out to SWFR(employs crossover setting)
Set all speakers to SMALL(employs crossover setting)

Page 79 in your manual.
Set crossover to 80Hz
Set subwoofer phase to NORMAL

Page 82 in your manual.
Set Dynamic Range to MAX.

Page 34 in your manual.
Select FRONT in number 5.
Select SKIP for speaker size.
Run YPAO

Page 81 in your manual.
AUTO PEQ should appear as the setting. Selecting EQ OFF will disable YPAO. You can hear the performance difference toggling between the two here.

Ok. So I did everything you said. followed every single step. The auto EQ definitly sound way better than the old one. But, there's one thing I have to admit, my system sound better with LFE/BASS OUT with BOTH selected (all speakers to SMALL, yes I checked).

Is it me? Or it can be normal?

Thanks!!!!

 

[zumbo]

Ok. So I did everything you said. followed every single step. The auto EQ definitly sound way better than the old one. But, there's one thing I have to admit, my system sound better with LFE/BASS OUT with BOTH selected (all speakers to SMALL, yes I checked).

Is it me? Or it can be normal?

Thanks!!!!

BOTH removes the crossover from your mains. In other words, your mains are playing full range. This is an incorrect setting.

Solution. A better powered sub.

 

[zumbo]

If you have two Velodyne 5000r's, changing your bass-out to BOTH shouldn't mean squat. Your subs should more than cover LF.

Check sub(s) placement. Try stacking together in one corner pointing to the opposite corner. In other words, have them pointing across the room from the front left to the right rear.

YPAO will have to be run again.

 

[jeanseb]

If you have two Velodyne 5000r's, changing your bass-out to BOTH shouldn't mean squat. Your subs should more than cover LF.

Check sub(s) placement. Try stacking together in one corner pointing to the opposite corner. In other words, have them pointing across the room from the front left to the right rear.

YPAO will have to be run again.

I was wrong (or YPAO was, again). The system did right. I just turned up the sub level 10% and it cam all alive. Just to be sure, I went back to BOTH to realize that you were right...

I can't thank you enough for this!

I have this AVR since 3-4 years and it was playing all wrong. FML.

Regards,

JS

 

[zumbo]

I was wrong (or YPAO was, again). The system did right. I just turned up the sub level 10% and it cam all alive. Just to be sure, I went back to BOTH to realize that you were right...

I can't thank you enough for this!

I have this AVR since 3-4 years and it was playing all wrong. FML.

Regards,

JS

I totally forgot to tell you to set your sub gains(on your subs) to half way before running YPAO. Then, just adjust gains(on your subs) to your desired level after running YPAO.

Glad I could help.

 

[billy p]

I have to agree that I prefer the PEQ setting over any other. I've even tried to GEQ some of my setting but the PEQ always souned better. I guess I'll need to run YPAO again because I've set my mains to large(I guess, I needed to be reminded!)..... BTW I like your pic's and set up. My Athenas are still used in the basement...I just couldn't part with them...
PS: I see your no longer in the red....2 green aamof...

 

[jeanseb]

I have to agree that I prefer the PEQ setting over any other. I've even tried to GEQ some of my setting but the PEQ always souned better. I guess I'll need to run YPAO again because I've set my mains to large(I guess, I needed to be reminded!)..... BTW I like your pic's and set up. My Athenas are still used in the basement...I just couldn't part with them...
PS: I see your no longer in the red....2 green aamof...

First of all, I want to thank you for your support. I have no clue why I ended up in the red... But I guess it's history now!

Thanks also for your compliment on my setup. It still miss a few frame here and there, but I always think that quality is better than quantity, so I'll wait to find something special.

Is it me or the Athenas sound amazing?! There's some speaker out there that will crush them, but for the price, I've heard some speakers that worth twice as much and didn't sound as good.

What did you upgrade to? Do you like them?

Regards,

JS

 

[TLS Guy]

BOTH removes the crossover from your mains. In other words, your mains are playing full range. This is an incorrect setting.

Solution. A better powered sub.

I dispute that. That is Lucas labs idea to emasculate perfectly good speakers with an unnecessary crossover. There have been a number of studies and a paper given at the Holland AES that had good evidence Lucas labs are wrong. I have felt Lucas labs were wrong from my researches. A good capable speaker should be set the large in my view for music and HT. The small settings should be used for incapable speakers.

This is also the view of B & W and most British speaker manufacturers. If I were producing and manufacturing my speaker designs, I would emphasize having the speakers run full range with sub filling in the mains.

I have set a number of friends systems up this way, who have capable systems, and in room response and listening tests show this is is the way to go.

The trouble is there are far too many incapable speakers.

Personally I disagree with most of what Lucas labs have to say.

 

[zumbo]

I dispute that. That is Lucas labs idea to emasculate perfectly good speakers with an unnecessary crossover. There have been a number of studies and a paper given at the Holland AES that had good evidence Lucas labs are wrong. I have felt Lucas labs were wrong from my researches. A good capable speaker should be set the large in my view for music and HT. The small settings should be used for incapable speakers.

This is also the view of B & W and most British speaker manufacturers. If I were producing and manufacturing my speaker designs, I would emphasize having the speakers run full range with sub filling in the mains.

I have set a number of friends systems up this way, who have capable systems, and in room response and listening tests show this is is the way to go.

The trouble is there are far too many incapable speakers.

Personally I disagree with most of what Lucas labs have to say.

My recommendation was not a generic response, but one based on the ability of the speakers in use. I would also have recommended a lower x-over point, but the center channel would not allow. I read the manual of the receiver in use as well.

An ideal solution would be a x-over setting of 60Hz for the mains, and 80 for the center. A higher-end receiver or pre-pro would be needed for this setting, as the 1600 doesn't offer this feature.

Mains 40 Hz-20 kHz
http://www.athenaspeakers.com/products/as-f1-specifications/

Center
60 Hz to 20 kHz