I definately have ground loop issues

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jared555

Junior Audioholic
I knew this a long time ago but has anyone else noticed at least with a bad ground loop problem you can actually get a full audio signal even when you don't have the ground part of the RCA jack connected?

I first noticed this actually when I had accidently partly pulled out the video connection between my receiver and computer monitor (had that so I could watch tv on the computer screen) and even though only one conductor was making contact I still had a picture.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I knew this a long time ago but has anyone else noticed at least with a bad ground loop problem you can actually get a full audio signal even when you don't have the ground part of the RCA jack connected?

I first noticed this actually when I had accidently partly pulled out the video connection between my receiver and computer monitor (had that so I could watch tv on the computer screen) and even though only one conductor was making contact I still had a picture.
That's not necessarily a ground loop- it just means the ground for both pieces has little resistance between them. It would be the same if you had a cassette deck, CD/DVD player or any other source on top of your receiver and you did the same thing. As long as you have them plugged into the same circuit and their neutral is common, you should still have audio when the shield is disconnected. A ground loop is when resistance between the ground of two or more pieces causes the difference (voltage) to travel over the audio or video cabling, usually causing noise or damage to one or more pieces.
 
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jared555

Junior Audioholic
Well there is a humming that is sometimes about as loud as the highest signal some programs will output on windows.

There are so many [originally temporary] interconnects on my system I just haven't been up to the task of figuring out the exact issue. Typically it is just my motivation for hooking the computer up with digital audio.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
Well there is a humming that is sometimes about as loud as the highest signal some programs will output on windows.

There are so many [originally temporary] interconnects on my system I just haven't been up to the task of figuring out the exact issue. Typically it is just my motivation for hooking the computer up with digital audio.
Is the computer in the same room as the system? If not, then you probably do have a ground loop. There's a tutorial on them on the main forum page. Ideally, the whole system will be on one circuit or at least the same phase of the service feed. The next thing to address is that there's no resistance on the ground conductors between the computer and the audio system. One way to eliminate the hum is by using an isolation transformer- the cheap ones work but can affect the sound quality. Jensen is one company that makes good ones but they're not as cheap as the ones from Radio Shack. The hard way is by working with the electrical system in the building to make sure it's up to code and to make sure the whole system in on the same circuit(s).

If you have cable TV, unplug the cable feed and if that eliminates the hum, you need an isolation adapter for that, not the power.

If you use an optical cable, you can't have a ground loop. If the computer only has a digital coax output (usually called S/PDIF), get a coax-optical adapter. As far as the optical cable- don't bother with anything that has gold plating- it's sending light and the gold will do nothing to help anyone but the seller and manufacturer.
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
Run a separate wire (preferably a copper braid) from the case of your computer to the ground or chassis of your receiver.
 
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jared555

Junior Audioholic
Same room, different outlets. There are also other computers linked via ethernet and the cable modem but I doubt that is the issue. I usually used the coax digital just to get rid of the hum and not the ground loop as that was the only source that was a problem.

And as far as gold plated optical cables.... All of mine are platinum! Have been meaning to order some more of the $3-$5 optical cables from parts express as I seem to of lost one or two during the last move (and that is why I don't spend much on cables).

Currently to hook in a recorder box I have 3 y adapters on the component out of my cable box which go to both the receiver and the recorder box. They are about 5' from the receiver (and the recorder is 3" away from the cable box) but I am using 12' cables that are thicker than a garden hose that I got from circuit city for $3 each (they are $30 shielded cables IIRC) because I haven't spent the money on proper length cables.... It does not surprise me that I have quality issues.

Edit:

That does remind me though... I think some of the distribution amplifiers (one was almost brand new) I also got from circuit city might have ground isolation built in.... guess I should check that out
 
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