Ft. Hood Shooting

[mike c]

Actually: you aren't allowed to carry a weapon on a millitary base. Weapons are checked out from the armory for use on the range (or for duty if MP) and then returned.

http://www.bnd.com/404/story/998514.html

what i meant was that the number, ownership or possession was a moot point ...

rules are for the normal people.

criminals simply ignore them.

 

[Matt34]

You can bring firearms on post but you must either be a.) taking them to the range. b.) to the MP station for registration c.) to the arms room for storage if you live in the barracks or d.) to you house...yes you can have firearms in government housing as long as it's registered with the MP's.

During transportation the ammo and firearm must be stored in different compartments of the vehicle.

I have a AZ state issued CCW permit but of course it's not recognized on a federal installation. Makes it a PITA when I'm running errands out in town but have to go on post for something.

Here is an example(Looks almost like ours): Ft. Drums SOP Paragraph 6.

http://www.drum.army.mil/garrison/pw/pdf/Environmental/NatResources/FishAndWild/FD%20Reg%20190-6.pdf

 

[basspig]

That religion, taken seriously, results in people behaving highly irrational. I mean, if you believe in another, better realm, this realm becomes of secondary importance to such people.

The muslim religion, and probably any religion, taken completely seriously will result in evil. This is why religion-qua-religion is evil.

Its obvious that in spite of all education and technology available to them, as provided by the western colonialists, the stubborn Middle Easterners have refused to come into a rationalistic world view even after gaining their little "independences". They stubbornly stick to medieval ideologies. We in the west do not have to apologize for it when they come over here and terrorize our troops. How can anyone explain the total disproportional development between the west and those Middle Eastern countries?

The Koran instructs Moslems to persuade the infidel to accept Islam, and if the infidel does not accept Islam and The Koran, being the word of Allah as given via Mohammed, they are to be killed. Jews are not to be accorded the nicety of persuasion, and they are simply to be killed outright. The killings may be conducted by any Moslem, or Soldier of Islam, at any time, and the Muslims do, in fact, carry out such killings.

Fox News, if it has read the work, has been in a state of denial regarding the motives of Muslims in their actions towards the Infidel. Similarly, most of the U.S. Government politicians have not read The Koran, and they have no idea whatsoever regarding the motives of the Muslims against the infidel. Muslims are not, in their way of thinking, against the West, Civilization, women, or Capitalism. Rather, they are set in their intentions to persuade the infidel to accept Islam, or, if not, to kill the infidel. That reduces to the mere killing of the infidel by Muslim individuals, cells, groups, families, moderates, supporters, or armies.

The failure of the infidel to have read The Koran is the "weak spot" of the West, or of the USA.

The Muslims will not stop in their continued actions towards the infidel. Why? Allah requires that the Muslim act in accordance with the Word of Allah as given in The Koran.

 

[Alex2507]

Yes Mike, we are an f'd up country.

Florida and Texas seem to be more messed up than the rest of the states as can be evidenced by the Novak case. So long as the crazies only leave one crazy state to go to the other crazy state like Mz. Novak did, I'm actually okay with it.

Fret not Mike, the rest of the country is good. Stop by anytime.
Oh yeah, gotta be careful in Jersey too.

 

[Adam]

So long as the crazies only leave one crazy state to go to the other crazy state like Mz. Novak did, I'm actually okay with it.

So, you'll just be driving straight to Arizona, then?

 

[Rickster71]

We also got something like 20 years of work out of him.

I'd say my issues with this guy have "but I spent a lot to train you" very low on the radar. I would like to find out what actually happened to get us to this rampage. There is perhaps something we should be doing to prevent another.

I see you've missed the point...no surprise there.

My point being, this is how he pays back his country, and his fellow soldiers?

We also got something like 20 years of work out of him.

As to getting "twenty years of work out of him" I'd question the quality of that work, not the quantity.
As mentioned in Adam's quote:
"I'm curious of the wider impact that the shooter may have (or had) given his role as a psychiatrist. I wonder if he planted seeds of dissent into impressionable minds."

What could be done to prevent another? I suppose we could stop embracing Political Correctness.

 

[bandphan]

Florida and Texas seem to be more messed up than the rest of the states as can be evidenced by the Novak case. So long as the crazies only leave one crazy state to go to the other crazy state like Mz. Novak did, I'm actually okay with it.

Fret not Mike, the rest of the country is good. Stop by anytime.
Oh yeah, gotta be careful in Jersey too.

ya, but the weather is so nice down here The larger the state the more room for problems Cali is IMHO the most fubar state, and not just for violence.

 

[JerryLove]

I see you've missed the point...no surprise there.

And you've avoided a sincere discussion with sarcasm.

That said, and as I've reminded myself many times: if my audience misunderstands me then I was not communicating effectively. Actually, perhaps that's what you are commenting on after all: a history of having trouble communicating your point? We could do some analysis and I could make some suggestions; though this thread would be an inappropriate place to do so (not the topic).

My point being, this is how he pays back his country, and his fellow soldiers?

In his mind this may well be payback to his country and soldiers. There have been statements that he wanted out of the military but was held by stop-loss, that he didn't want to deploy but was being deployed, that he was suffering PTSD (which can be had by proxy) but that it was ignored, that he was harassed for his ethnicity/religion.

Not a single one of those things (nor the amalgamation of all) excuse his actions: but he may indeed have seen it as "payback".

I suppose your afore-mentioned logic could be applied to anyone who ever does anything you don't like. For example: I could look at your snarky remark above and say "this is how you pay back people putting time into a discussion".

As to getting "twenty years of work out of him" I'd question the quality of that work, not the quantity.

Do you have any evidence that there was a problem with his performance of his duties prior to the shooting? I do agree that we need to do an analysis of what caused this, and go back and look at how it may have effected those he was counciling: both in terms of whether he was appropriate and effective of late, and as to how this event involving their psychiatrist may impact these patients.

What could be done to prevent another? I suppose we could stop embracing Political Correctness.

So you believe that political correctness caused us to fail to prevent this rampage? How so? Do you feel that's the cause of the other similar instances such as Marine Charles Joseph Whitman's killing spree, or Airman Dean Mellberg, or Sgt.William J. Kreutzer, Jr., or Sgt. John M. Russell? Were those also caused by the embracing of political correctness? Because they seem to me like a failure to deal with psychological issues effectively.