Health care Solution- get rid of all republicans.

lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
In response to the forest man,

If we eliminate the republicans than we will pass the health care bill thus ending the controversy. :p

And while we are at it we should expel the Canadians. They already have healthcare in their own country after all. :D
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I'll go along with this so long as we get rid of the democrats as well.
 
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jamie2112

Banned
Lets get rid of BOTH lame duck parties and find a new (UP TO DATE) party..these prehistoric ideals that both parties have suck.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I'll go along with this so long as we get rid of the democrats as well.
Sounds good to me. Then we can have communists, socialists, fundamentalists, green, audiophiles, capitalists, and any other party we want. ;)
 
aberkowitz

aberkowitz

Audioholic Field Marshall
Sounds good to me. Then we can have communists, socialists, fundamentalists, green, audiophiles, capitalists, and any other party we want. ;)
You realize that if the audiophiles were in charge we would have had at least 5-10 more World Wars that involved nuclear weapons (Beta vs. VHS, Vinyl vs. Tape/CD, LCD vs. Plasma, 720p vs. 1080i, BD vs. HD DVD, SACD vs. DVD Audio, Dolby vs. DTS, etc.). :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Audiophiles should not be allowed to run anything... except of course message boards :D.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Seriously though we need a universal health care system. It works in Europe and Canada why not here.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Seriously though we need a universal health care system. It works in Europe and Canada why not here.
The issue is less "Yes/No, but HOW will it operate and how will it be funded?", for me. To an extent, the argument that someone shouldn't make a killing (no pun intended) by doing something that saves peoples' lives has some validity but if people who are smart and talented enough to be great at it and ingenious enough to develop new ways to save lives aren't paid well, that profession will lose a good number of people. Not that I think most are in it for the money but I have to think that some are, and they achieve this by going into areas that aren't critically needed. Also, corporations owning hospitals need and want to make money for the shareholders and they often lose interest in breaking even for the benefit of the patients. Lose money? Not if they can help it. I'll use Aurora Health Care as an example- they have the SE corner of Wisconsin by the neck and our health care costs are about 25% higher than most of the country. They put the newest and shiniest machines in most of their facilities, even if they won't use them all of the time. Greed is greed, regardless of the business and I wouldn't mind seeing health care operated at a slimmer margin and I'd like to see more emphasis on preventive medicine.

If it's working so well in Canada, why are they looking at ways to privatize some aspects of it?

People need to stop acting like lunch and dinner are an eating competition. Cutting back on quantity and bad food would surely save thousands of lives and tens of billions of dollars annually.

I think the whole system needs to be restructured- if urgent care isn't needed, an ER should send them somewhere else. I have to think that a huge number of cases could be handled a by a walk-in clinic and if we had more of these, the ER burden would disappear, along with a large part of the financial losses incurred by hospitals.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Why don't you like librarians?

Oh. Never mind. :D
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Well exactly. Why can't Americans not only do it, but do it better than the rest of us? Isn't that what you Yanks usually do ?:)
We used to but nobody wants to pay for quality anymore, only quantity. With all of the BS in Washington, we sure got our money's worth.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
Well exactly. Why can't Americans not only do it, but do it better than the rest of us? Isn't that what you Yanks usually do ?:)
That's our beliefs out loud. Fact is, the general citizen cares about themselves first and/or only. Every political debate we see here is evidence of that, from those wanting GM and Chrysler to just die since they aren't one of the people employed there or the people wanting a universal healthcare system where the money of hardworking people will be used to care for the lazy.

We used to but nobody wants to pay for quality anymore, only quantity.
Bull. People just don't want to pay for what doesn't directly benefit them. I bet some people here don't want their tax dollars going into public education because they send their kids to private school, as one example. This culture of excess, greed, and selfishness is almost enough to make me want to leave, but I recognize that the alternatives are no better.

That, however, is the core issue. The widespread belief that we could be so much worse off means we must be just fine. People focus on turning into this or that, becoming like this country or that continent, rather than saying THIS HERE is a problem and WE need to come up with our OWN solution to OUR very real problems. One's personal opinion of the state of our nation compared to the state of other nations shouldn't be such a predominant concern.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
That, however, is the core issue. The widespread belief that we could be so much worse off means we must be just fine. People focus on turning into this or that, becoming like this country or that continent, rather than saying THIS HERE is a problem and WE need to come up with our OWN solution to OUR very real problems. One's personal opinion of the state of our nation compared to the state of other nations shouldn't be such a predominant concern.
Everyone who works legally (and some who are illegal) pay FICA. That helps other people. I'm not sure I'll see any of it but it still helps others.

Helping others is great but paying more for health care, for people who sit in front of the TV and eat everything in sight, smoke when they know it kills, drink/drug like it's the '60s and do everything but put a gun in their mouth & pull the trigger in their effort to kill themselves isn't fair to those who end up forking over the cash.

I don't have kids but my property tax bill increases every year mainly because of the public school system which, BTW, is run so badly that the Governor just presented a bill to have the MKE Mayor take over its control. I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have done this if MKE had a Republican Mayor, but that hasn't happened since the '40s, and that one was a Democrat/Republican "hybrid". The school budget is closing in on $2B/year and they rank as one of the worst in the country. I don't like how the money is wasted- they spent $26K on iPods for students to use during study hall. They said it was to improve their self-esteem. Why can't good grades provide that? Why can't an improved graduation rate provide that?The school board votes for their own raises and budget increases, without interacting with anyone. Two years ago, they increased it by 9.2% (the maximum allowed) and sank millions into facilities upgrades. At this time, the school system has 16 schools that are sitting idle, some of which were updated under that budget increase. I can only hope they come up with a better alternative to the way it is now and there's no way anyone should try to stop public education- EVERYONE should be well educated, not just those who can go to a private school. The worst thing for a nation is to have a large number of people who don't know what they need to get along in daily life but with a high dropout rate because of drug use, gang activity and teenage pregnancy, those kids probably won't get very far.

It's not only inner city kids who drop out, either. I had a kid working for me in the late '90s and he came in early one day to proudly announce that he was available for full-time work. I asked why and he said he had quit school because there was nothing for him there. I took him into the office and gave him a bit of a clue about why that's a bad idea and he came in the next week to tell me that he was going for his GED. He had to go for that instead of talking with his school because, being a major hothead, he gave them an earful when he left, so they basically asked that he not come back if he reconsidered his decision. He came from a suburb and a fairly high income family.

That belief about "It's not so bad" is just complacency and that is a problem. I agree completely about excess, selfishness, greed and have had that opinion for a long time. Too many think that they can get rich quickly, but it's their thinking that money will take care of their problems that gets them into trouble. A show on TV recently dealt with the "Lottery Curse", where a high majority of winners' lives go down the drain at a very rapid rate after coming into a large amount of money, some tragically. Many prefer to absorb themselves in the problems of others, rather than deal with their own. Look at what's on TV- Jon & Kate, the Octomom (who apparently has the hots for Jon), Jerry Springer, Cops, daytime talk shows and all of the so-called "Reality Shows". It's just avoidance.

As the saying goes, "Discontent is the first step toward progress". I agree unless it's discontent, for the sake of it. I think people need to take a hard look at themselves and define what their skills are, what needs improvement and realistically determine what they can/can't achieve in their life. There's no point in aspiring to what isn't possible but everyone can use a little self-improvement. However, just because something is difficult doesn't mean it's futile.

We all have work to do and defining what the issues are is job #1. The problem now is that with two diametrically opposed parties, there's no agreement and if they can't agree on what needs fixing, it's impossible to come up with a good plan.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
We all have work to do and defining what the issues are is job #1. The problem now is that with two diametrically opposed parties, there's no agreement and if they can't agree on what needs fixing, it's impossible to come up with a good plan.
I agree, though it's not just opposed ideologies. Al Frankin's recent "don't give government bids to companies that attempt to prevent their employees from suing for the company covering up a gang-rape" bill got 3/4ths of Senate republicans voting against it.

There are only two equally distasteful options: Either they are so in the pocket of Haliburton that they will vote to support gang-rape coverups, or they voted against it because a democrat submitted it.

Certainly there's no ideological support.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I agree, though it's not just opposed ideologies. Al Frankin's recent "don't give government bids to companies that attempt to prevent their employees from suing for the company covering up a gang-rape" bill got 3/4ths of Senate republicans voting against it.

There are only two equally distasteful options: Either they are so in the pocket of Haliburton that they will vote to support gang-rape coverups, or they voted against it because a democrat submitted it.

Certainly there's no ideological support.
So, how do we get them to see that they're clearly not doing the job we need them to? We can vote, but in my case, I'm in a state that is very blue collar, low pay jobs and most of the Conservatives live outside of the City. Some do, but they're a small minority and their chance of getting a different party in as Mayor are nil. I'm in a suburb, but still in MKE County, which means I'm in the same position- who is elected almost never matches my vote.

On a good note, the current Governor has dome a terrible job and has announced that he won't run again. Many of us hope we get a fiscally sensible replacement.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
So, how do we get them to see that they're clearly not doing the job we need them to?
That's not the question. The question is "how do you get them to care"

We can vote, but in my case, I'm in a state that is very blue collar, low pay jobs and most of the Conservatives live outside of the City. Some do, but they're a small minority and their chance of getting a different party in as Mayor are nil. I'm in a suburb, but still in MKE County, which means I'm in the same position- who is elected almost never matches my vote.
The wonders of democracy I fear. But the truth is the vote follows the money. That's why more than 90% of all incumbants get re-elected.

You want a real answer? Revolution. Replace congress with a much smaller body. Have congress hire and fire (think bord of directors) agency heads who make real policy / spending. Make terms 3 years and don't allow consecutive terms (also, make taking money from private interests while in office, and campaigning while in office, treason).
 
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NicolasKL

Full Audioholic
The issue is less "Yes/No, but HOW will it operate and how will it be funded?", for me. To an extent, the argument that someone shouldn't make a killing (no pun intended) by doing something that saves peoples' lives has some validity but if people who are smart and talented enough to be great at it and ingenious enough to develop new ways to save lives aren't paid well, that profession will lose a good number of people.
I don't think health insurance companies are saving anyone's lives.
 
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