Question on perceived "tightness"

KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Below is a quote from WmAx from earlier in the Sealed Kappa DIY thread. How is the DCX crossover used to attain subjective tightness?
Thanks!

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The Emotiva must use EQ to get flat 20Hz response. The same is true for the Kappa Perfect if you use it in a sealed alignment. It is highly doubtful that the Emotiva uses equal quality drivers to the Kappa Perfects simply due to cost. Their subs would likely cost far more as a finished product if they had to use drivers of that grade.

The Behringer DCX2496 is the ultimate subwoofer manipulation tool and crossover. It will allow you to precisely control the response of the subs and subjective 'tightness' along with powerful crossovers. Ideally, you can use the DCX to control two subs, the left main channel, right main channel and center channel for ideal integration of the system. Of course, to use it on the main channels, this would presume you have outboard amp for the main channels so you can insert the DCX between pre-amp signal and amplifier input.

The Perfect 12VQ, using the mid Q motor alignment option, will have approximately -3dB response at 34 Hz and -6dB response at 27Hz in a box that was externally, about 16" cubed, built with 3/4" thick material, yielding roughly a 2 ft^3 internal volume net. That is fairly small. This Kappa Perfect while being passive, will outperform the Velodyne DD-12, and nearly equal the DD-15 in distortion vs. SPL and maximum output levels, based on 3rd party credible measurements that have been performed on these systems(even though the perfect was given huge disadvantages such as an under powered amplifier in these tests that began to clip at higher SPL testing, and even though the Velodyne units were high servo feedback designs that are supposed to have superior performance).

-Chris
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
How is the DCX crossover used to attain subjective tightness?
The Behringer DCX2496 is more than a digital electronic crossover. It is a parametric equalizer, capable of digitally setting up numerous notch filters. These notch filters can be used in the low frequency range to smooth out the in-room bass response.

When a speaker is put into a room with walls, floor and a ceiling, reflected sounds can cancel or reinforce one another which further alters the frequency response. At higher frequencies, hundreds of small peaks and dips can be measured in the frequency response. Trying to remove all these small deviations with a parametric EQ would result in colorations to the sound that may not be desirable. The characteristic sound that made a particular speaker attractive could be completely lost. Even if the hundreds of small peaks and dips were to be adjusted, it would only be correct for a single position in the room. Moving your head just a few inches would require a completely different set of corrections.

At low frequencies, the picture is different. There are fewer peaks and dips, but they are much more dramatic. The peaks and dips persist over a much larger portion of the listening area. Dips can't be corrected electronically. Putting out more power at the dip frequency won't help. If the original and reflected waves cancel each other, they will cancel at 1 watt or 1000 watts. If you have major dips in the frequency response you can try repositioning your speakers, particularly the subwoofer. Fortunately, dips in the bass response are typically not that noticeable. When an instrument plays that particular frequency, the bass is lost, but the higher harmonics of the instruments tone are still there. To some degree, your ear and brain will fill in the missing information.

The situation is different for large low-frequency peaks. These peaks are what tend to shake the knick-knacks off the shelves and result in an overall tubby sound to the bass. Often one or two large peaks dominate the bass sound. People tend to adjust the volume of their subwoofers based on these peaks, getting what is called “one note bass”.

Fortunately, this can be remedied electronically without drastically altering the characteristic sound of your speakers. A room may have several (typically 3) large peaks due to the distance between the front/back walls, left/right walls, and the floor/ceiling. Notch filters can address each of these peaks. You must be able to identify the frequency and magnitude of these in-room bass peaks. There are a variety of ways to measure this, and the DCX2496 can help do this, but I don‘t own one and am not certain of this.

Typically one uses a test tone generator to generate a frequency tone sweep between 20-300 Hz and measures the in-room SPL response. A frequency response curve can be plotted on paper or on a program such as Excel. The worst offending bass peaks will be easily seen. The DCX2496 can then be used to create notch filters to flatten or partially flatten each these peaks. Each notch filter can be customized by adjusting the filter’s center frequency, frequency width, and height.

The result will be a smoother, tighter sounding bass.
 
WmAx

WmAx

Audioholic Samurai
Below is a quote from WmAx from earlier in the Sealed Kappa DIY thread. How is the DCX crossover used to attain subjective tightness?
Thanks!

****************************************************
The Emotiva must use EQ to get flat 20Hz response. The same is true for the Kappa Perfect if you use it in a sealed alignment. It is highly doubtful that the Emotiva uses equal quality drivers to the Kappa Perfects simply due to cost. Their subs would likely cost far more as a finished product if they had to use drivers of that grade.

The Behringer DCX2496 is the ultimate subwoofer manipulation tool and crossover. It will allow you to precisely control the response of the subs and subjective 'tightness' along with powerful crossovers. Ideally, you can use the DCX to control two subs, the left main channel, right main channel and center channel for ideal integration of the system. Of course, to use it on the main channels, this would presume you have outboard amp for the main channels so you can insert the DCX between pre-amp signal and amplifier input.

The Perfect 12VQ, using the mid Q motor alignment option, will have approximately -3dB response at 34 Hz and -6dB response at 27Hz in a box that was externally, about 16" cubed, built with 3/4" thick material, yielding roughly a 2 ft^3 internal volume net. That is fairly small. This Kappa Perfect while being passive, will outperform the Velodyne DD-12, and nearly equal the DD-15 in distortion vs. SPL and maximum output levels, based on 3rd party credible measurements that have been performed on these systems(even though the perfect was given huge disadvantages such as an under powered amplifier in these tests that began to clip at higher SPL testing, and even though the Velodyne units were high servo feedback designs that are supposed to have superior performance).

-Chris
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Dedicated to improving the real[quantifiable] parameters of sound reproduction.
After optimizing in-room LF response as Swerd described above....

Go to EQ screen and apply a LOW SHELVING FILTER. Set it to 6db/octave. Now, choose 30Hz-35Hz. Now, reduce amplitude by -2 or more dB. The LF gradual roll off will make a well designed ported system sound like a sealed one by using this simple filter.

-Chris
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
Swerd & Chris,
Thanks for the great explanation/direction. I can see one of the dcx's is likely in my future.
 
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