Obama=Carter??

[Audioholics]

Holy cow, Jeff... way to make the thread all about you...

 

[rnatalli]

Obama will be a two-termer for one simple reason, the economy. I'm not saying it turning is his doing, but he will get the credit just like Clinton did.

 

[MinusTheBear]

Obama will be a two-termer for one simple reason, the economy. I'm not saying it turning is his doing, but he will get the credit just like Clinton did.

I agree with this and many other economists agree as well. If effective his policies will fix the economy and not mask the problem in the long run. Only time will tell but the economy has already taken the road for the better in the very short run.

 

[billy p]

Obama will be a two-termer for one simple reason, the economy. I'm not saying it turning is his doing, but he will get the credit just like Clinton did.

If he was our Prime Minister he'd get more than 2 terms..... BTW those number Jeff alluded too aren't even reflected on this forum. Talk about having your head in the sand or elsewhere.

 

[highfigh]

Well if this guy has your approval I guess this forum is not for me. Maybe change the name to"raving red neck audio" that way we will be forewarned.

Remember, this isn't the audio section, it's the steam vent, and in any forum area like this that I have been to, some comments can raise the hackles of others. I hope you don't come to the steam vent to read that everyone is in agreement on all things and singing Kumbayah.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

If he was our Prime Minister he'd get more than 2 terms..... BTW those number Jeff alluded too aren't even reflected on this forum. Talk about having your head in the sand or elsewhere.

Talk about having your head in the sand Go ahead ignore it.

 

[Alex2507]

Go ahead ignore it.

No problemo.

... but Billy can't ... he keeps coming back for more.

Don't anybody take that wrong. I just find it hilarious that he gripes about political threads yet he can't stay away. Minus too for that matter. They don't understand that there is nothing to be done about the Conservative Super Friends. Billy and Minus just better hope that nobody calls MarkW on the Republican Hot Line.

Yes ... once again, nothing to contribute.

 

[JerryLove]

I never said I wanted anything of the sort. What I said was there are a lot people who have had it with this corrupt government we now have. There are lots of ways to have a revolution, and it need not be violent to get results.

What is the non-vilent way to prematurely remove elected officials from office which you would advocate?

Some here seem to think that is what I am implying when I said no such thing.

Do please clear the matter up. How do you envision the pre-term removal of congress and the president?

(as an aside, I fail to see what corrupt actions Obama has been taking, particularly in the context of his predecessor)

 

[jeffsg4mac]

What is the non-vilent way to prematurely remove elected officials from office which you would advocate?

Do please clear the matter up. How do you envision the pre-term removal of congress and the president?

(as an aside, I fail to see what corrupt actions Obama has been taking, particularly in the context of his predecessor)

Ask this chump. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Davis

 

[highfigh]

No problemo.

... but Billy can't ... he keeps coming back for more.

Don't anybody take that wrong. I just find it hilarious that he gripes about political threads yet he can't stay away. Minus too for that matter. They don't understand that there is nothing to be done about the Conservative Super Friends. Billy and Minus just better hope that nobody calls MarkW on the Republican Hot Line.

Yes ... once again, nothing to contribute.

The Conservative Super Friends aren't the ones who want to spread the wealth, bail out and buy into corporations & banks, jam a health care bill down our throats without voters being able to read/discuss/analyze or cause the national debt to increase to all-time highs, in the $9 Trillion neighborhood. Now, a Chinese manufacturer has bought Hummer and say what you want, foreign corporate ownership isn't going to be a good thing. Foreign corporations coming here and setting up shop is different. If the new Hummer company does well, some corporate tax will be collected but the profits won't stay here. Getting their foot in the door could be a bad thing, IMO.

It's a slippery slope, for sure.

 

[highfigh]

Ask this chump. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Davis

OK, that's one example but to remove most of Congress? Not gonna happen.

 

[billy p]

No problemo.

... but Billy can't ... he keeps coming back for more.

Don't anybody take that wrong. I just find it hilarious that he gripes about political threads yet he can't stay away. Minus too for that matter. They don't understand that there is nothing to be done about the Conservative Super Friends. Billy and Minus just better hope that nobody calls MarkW on the Republican Hot Line.

Yes ... once again, nothing to contribute.

Is it one o'clock yet? Got to stay out of those polictical threads....

I clicked on the wrong linky....

 

[jinjuku]

Ask this chump. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Davis

1st You can't recall POTUS like you can a governor in a lot of states (state constitution)
2nd You can't call for a no confidence vote
3rd You could try impeachment if there was an impeachable offense (which there isn't)

Last I checked California under Arnold Schwarzenegger was handing out IOU's to government employees as an example of how well they are doing. So what did getting rid of Gray Davis actually achieve?

Jeff you need to answer this question: Historically speaking, when looking at presidents that have served less than one term, what has been the primary reason?

This is a one word answer. It is the answer that you have been so political about not answering. I understand if you keep silent.

BTW, I voted for and support Obama. Our image in the world is changing for the better because of him. The spending that is going on was already in place. Health care reform needs to happen. Looking at the raw numbers (quality of care, infant mortality, end of life care, etc...) we are a joke amongst 1st world countries. Our health care system is broken. I view what Obama is doing as an investment and not a cost

 

[jeffsg4mac]

1st You can't recall POTUS like you can a governor in a lot of states (state constitution)
2nd You can't call for a no confidence vote
3rd You could try impeachment if there was an impeachable offense (which there isn't)

Last I checked California under Arnold Schwarzenegger was handing out IOU's to government employees as an example of how well they are doing. So what did getting rid of Gray Davis actually achieve?

Jeff you need to answer this question: Historically speaking, when looking at presidents that have served less than one term, what has been the primary reason?

This is a one word answer. It is the answer that you have been so political about not answering. I understand if you keep silent.

BTW, I voted for and support Obama. Our image in the world is changing for the better because of him. The spending that is going on was already in place. Health care reform needs to happen. Looking at the raw numbers (quality of care, infant mortality, end of life care, etc...) we are a joke amongst 1st world countries. Our health care system is broken. I view what Obama is doing as an investment and not a cost

It's hardly the point how Arnold is doing. Ok all hypothetical but if massive recalls were done, the congress and senate power shifts then the president becomes neutered. At that point congress and senate might do anything they want. Far fetched I will give you that, but never say never.

 

[jinjuku]

It's hardly the point how Arnold is doing.

We will have to agree to disagree. Just because you changed seats on the Titanic doesn't mean it's still not going down. Them tossing Davis out accomplished zilch.

Ok all hypothetical but if massive recalls were done, the congress and senate power shifts then the president becomes neutered. At that point congress and senate might do anything they want. Far fetched I will give you that, but never say never.

This doesn't answer my initial question posed to you. It's just noise and avoidance. Don't worry, I already know the answer. It's how all good questions are asked

 

[highfigh]

1st You can't recall POTUS like you can a governor in a lot of states (state constitution)
2nd You can't call for a no confidence vote
3rd You could try impeachment if there was an impeachable offense (which there isn't)

Last I checked California under Arnold Schwarzenegger was handing out IOU's to government employees as an example of how well they are doing. So what did getting rid of Gray Davis actually achieve?

Jeff you need to answer this question: Historically speaking, when looking at presidents that have served less than one term, what has been the primary reason?

This is a one word answer. It is the answer that you have been so political about not answering. I understand if you keep silent.

BTW, I voted for and support Obama. Our image in the world is changing for the better because of him. The spending that is going on was already in place. Health care reform needs to happen. Looking at the raw numbers (quality of care, infant mortality, end of life care, etc...) we are a joke amongst 1st world countries. Our health care system is broken. I view what Obama is doing as an investment and not a cost

California needs to come up with a way to do something about Prop 13 (IIRC). That's the one that basically restricts property tax increases and unless a home is sold, the taxes and value don't have much to do with each other. Once the home is sold, the fair market value/selling price determine the tax rate but when people keep their houses, the state's property tax revenue doesn't keep up with expenses. Unfortunately, if the tax rate followed the values, many people wouldn't be able to afford to keep their homes. Everyone wants things but nobody wants to pay for them out of pocket and they're being careful to not say too much about the reason California is falling so far behind- illegals are tapping the state dry.

 

[JerryLove]

Ask this chump. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gray_Davis

I don't think he'll answer, and his Wiki page certainly gives me no idea how to remove a president or congress mid-term without violence.

Perhaps you can point me to the relevent point that tells me how you intend to do so?

 

[JerryLove]

The Conservative Super Friends aren't the ones who want to spread the wealth, bail out and buy into corporations & banks, jam a health care bill down our throats without voters being able to read/discuss/analyze or cause the national debt to increase to all-time highs, in the $9 Trillion neighborhood.

Palin supported taxing oil companies and handing out checks to Alaskans. Bush supported and implamented handing out checks to every American as part of his "stimulus" program. That stimulus was passed by a Repblican congress.

The banks and corporations were bailed out under a bill signed by Bush as well.

The first non-war record deficit spending I reacll was Reagan. It dropped tremendously (went into surplus for the first time in 50 years) under clinton, then jumped up to a new (unadjusted) record under GWB.

As to healthcare. More than 60% of American voters are in favor of, not just a public option, but a single payor system. More than 70% of doctors are similarly in favor.

Who might be stopping a national discussion? I would say the people screaming lies over and over at town-hall meetings and bombarding the press with fiction about "death panels" are the ones who are stopping a rational discourse on the real issues from occuring.

And, BTW, please find me the conservatives trying to get rid of medicare... that big government healthcare system. I don't see any of them.

Now, a Chinese manufacturer has bought Hummer and say what you want, foreign corporate ownership isn't going to be a good thing. Foreign corporations coming here and setting up shop is different. If the new Hummer company does well, some corporate tax will be collected but the profits won't stay here. Getting their foot in the door could be a bad thing, IMO.

That's called "capitalism". What would you like different that would have prevented the purchase of Hummer?

 

[highfigh]

It's hardly the point how Arnold is doing. Ok all hypothetical but if massive recalls were done, the congress and senate power shifts then the president becomes neutered. At that point congress and senate might do anything they want. Far fetched I will give you that, but never say never.

The Senate is part of Congress.

If you're referring to two of the three branches (Executive, Judicial and Legislative) of the government doing what they want when they reach a political imbalance, it really depends on who is in office. If Congress has a lot of people who want the US to become Socialist and the President is in agreement, it could happen. If the Supreme Court shifts to the same side, those of us who think Socialism is a horrendous possibility, we'll all be screwed. If Congress and the President agree that the opposite should become official policy, the ones who want Socialism will be hating life. This imbalance has happened several times in the last 20 years and it can only work when they all want to work for common goals.

What Congress and some Presidents need to be reminded of: They work for us. They aren't there to make every decision in our lives or make us pay for their personal agendas and ambitions.

 

[JerryLove]

California needs to come up with a way to do something about Prop 13 (IIRC). That's the one that basically restricts property tax increases and unless a home is sold, the taxes and value don't have much to do with each other. Once the home is sold, the fair market value/selling price determine the tax rate but when people keep their houses, the state's property tax revenue doesn't keep up with expenses.

California's problem is simple: it's easy to require new spending by voter referrendum and nigh-impossible to raise taxes.

In any system, when the person with the power to demand things has no responsability for the consequences, there will be chaos.

Unfortunately, if the tax rate followed the values, many people wouldn't be able to afford to keep their homes. Everyone wants things but nobody wants to pay for them out of pocket and they're being careful to not say too much about the reason California is falling so far behind- illegals are tapping the state dry.

I've said this over Florida. Thesystem for fair property taxes is simple (assuming you want a non-progressive tax).

You find the average home value. You value all homes relative to that average home value and assign them a percentage (the average home would be 100%). Each year, you determine how much you want to collect from property taxes, divide by the number of homes, and chage each home-owner that multiplied by the percentage.

You don't reassess homes until they sell.

That way, a local jump in prices doesn't force someone out of their home (their taxes don't change because their percent isn't reevaluated), and a general rise effects all people equally (you can't end up paying next-to-zero taxes because your house was baught so long ago).

There's some slightly more complex algebra to input a homstead exemption, but it's not that hard.

Equitable taxing problem solved. Next.