I just ripped my kids principal...as politely

[JerryLove]

OP,

I have no way to tell who I would agree with regard to what the school sees fit to write home about. I've seen far too many examples of schools ignoring far too much and things getting out-of-hand as as result.

That said: Regarless of age (and especially at 2nd grade) if the isse was in PE, I cannot imagine how that translates into a danger on the bus. The chosen response was wholely inappropriate. The only reason to keep a child off a bus is because he poses a hazard to the bus ride itself (or there's a hazard to the child after he gets off).

I would have been pissed too.

 

[jamie2112]

OK I am in agreement with Buckeye for once here,its a freakin miracle.It seems that kids parents nowadays just seem to forget their own bringing up.When I was being a total idiot I got a spanking or whipping depending on how bad I was.That worked for me and ALMOST everyone i knew growing up.Now its like most parent's has totally pussified their kids.We played tackle football in the street for god sakes! I just don't get it, wear a helmet, knee pads and elbow pads to walk to school why dont ya.....lame,and my kids are not winey whimps and respect us as parents.I can't stand the hovering parents who do everything for their kids (hellicopter parents).Let your kids be kids....I wonder how we ever grew up without a pad or helmet for everything.Heck my dads car didn't even have seat belts in the back for a while......I miss my youth. In some states its a felony to say the F word to someone...uuuummmmm yeah how bout no

 

[MatthewB.]

That's the problem with political correctness, is that every kid is a winner and there are no losers. Todays PC is not preparing them for how it is in the real world, hence why we have young adults who think the world owes them friggin everything on a silver platter.

Our generation had to work for our stuff, our folks gave us a good belt whipping if we got out of line and when I acted out in class, I not only got the paddle from the principle but when I got home I got it again from the parents for getting an arse whuppin by the principal. But you know what It taught me not to do that kind of shyt again ,,,,,,or at least not get caught

I agree that holding your child for tackling a kid is beyond stupid, heck schools don't even allow dodge ball anymore because those red balls can sting a wee bit (boo friggin hoo) I thought dodge ball was the best tool to teach you flexibility and that when everyone is tossing crap at you, you either dodge it or get hit (a lesson that has followed me all through life)

I recall going home to my folks house a few years ago and they were raising my neice (sis had issues) anyway my neice was acting up and my mom goes, "okay you need to sit in time out" I was like, "TIME OUT???, what's this time out crapola, when I was a kid and did the same thing, I got a butt whuppin" my moms response, "we love her more than you" (Mom was kidding BTW she has a wicked sense of humor) But shows you how parenting has changed over the years (even with the same parents)

But it shows why kids today are spoiled, throw temper tantrums in public and instead of asking and getting a "No" they scream and the parents cave in. Now this principle deals with this all day long and the restrictions are so stiff, that she probably had no choice, but i agree, tackling a kid during PE....LAME!!!!

 

[JerryLove]

That's the problem with political correctness, is that every kid is a winner and there are no losers. Todays PC is not preparing them for how it is in the real world, hence why we have young adults who think the world owes them friggin everything on a silver platter.

The OP seems to me to be a case of a kid bing overly singled out as a looser. Someone who, because they tackled in PE, can't even be trusted to ride a bus.

Our generation had to work for our stuff, our folks gave us a good belt whipping if we got out of line and when I acted out in class, I not only got the paddle from the principle but when I got home I got it again from the parents for getting an arse whuppin by the principal. But you know what It taught me not to do that kind of shyt again ,,,,,,or at least not get caught

The one time I got got paddled in school was for something I didn't do.

On the other hand, the school was ineffective / indifferent at constant bullying.

It is possible that your personal experience, and the perspective of having been the kid in question, when compared to your current perspective on the outside looking in, and then only at some instances, has caused a skewed result?

I agree that holding your child for tackling a kid is beyond stupid, heck schools don't even allow dodge ball anymore because those red balls can sting a wee bit (boo friggin hoo)

Like this whining little gril who had her arm broken? (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-20-dodgeball_x.htm)

I thought dodge ball was the best tool to teach you flexibility and that when everyone is tossing crap at you, you either dodge it or get hit (a lesson that has followed me all through life)

Unless you are the slow kid, or the unagile one, or the one the others like to pick on. In those cases you get to leaern what it's like to sit in the middle of a bunch of taunting peers repeatedly pummling you whith teacher approval.

At least other sports have teams, meaning that you cannot be singled out for abuse, or are one-on-one; meaning you cannot be group abuse.

I recall going home to my folks house a few years ago and they were raising my neice (sis had issues) anyway my neice was acting up and my mom goes, "okay you need to sit in time out" I was like, "TIME OUT???, what's this time out crapola, when I was a kid and did the same thing, I got a butt whuppin" my moms response, "we love her more than you" (Mom was kidding BTW she has a wicked sense of humor) But shows you how parenting has changed over the years (even with the same parents)

Denial of interaction is actually a more effective punishment, whether we are discussing children or adults or animals.

SeaWorld, for example, does not hit the killer whale when it does not perform. Circus's have been known to use such training methods... and the lions and elephants there have been known to go on rampages.

Regarldess, far more important that what one chooses to use as punishment is that it is swift, that it is fairly dolled out, and that it ends the dispute itself (as opposed to hitting your kid and then still being mad at him).

But it shows why kids today are spoiled, throw temper tantrums in public and instead of asking and getting a "No" they scream and the parents cave in. Now this principle deals with this all day long and the restrictions are so stiff, that she probably had no choice, but i agree, tackling a kid during PE....LAME!!!!

In what year do you think the frist temper-tantrum was thrown? Is this a 1990s invention, or do you think it goes back as far as the 70s?

Amazingly, looking at 16 children who did not get hit going through frist cousins (and their kids) and myself, I onlt see one real problem and that started in her teens (she became alcohlolic).

 

[pzaur]

Do I think the principal overreacted? Yes. The PE teacher should have handled this immediately. The student may not have understood the rules during class. Football typically involves tackling. He probably played the sport the way he has always seen it played, with tackling.

The suggestion that making kids run laps or do physical exertion for punishment is incorrect. Many states forbid/ban physical punishment, in any form, as a way to discipline. Making students run laps would be in line with a forbidden act.

There is the possibility of more back story to this. The OP should not have been labeled as a "loser" as some have suggested. Very poor wording. Shame on the poster who did this.

-pat

 

[JerryLove]

The suggestion that making kids run laps or do physical exertion for punishment is incorrect. Many states forbid/ban physical punishment, in any form, as a way to discipline. Making students run laps would be in line with a forbidden act.

As an aside: there is no thing which is not a phyical act.

 

[SopRage]

Principals and teachers cannot win - if a child ISN'T punished, it's due to our "hell in a handbasket" society where every child is labeled a winner (which is not the case), and if the child IS punished, the teacher/principal is mistaken. Everyone wants someone punished as long as it's not their kid.

While it's possible the principal is an idiot, I'm guessing there's some backstory to the problem that has not been shared.

It's always interesting to hear each generation decry how everything's gone down-hill. ... AFTER their generation, of course. I'm not sure the halcyon days being remembered here were quite as rosy as recalled. It's facinating to hear stories of mild child abuse looked back upon as the "good old days."

To put it simply, if the stellar parenting/teaching I always hear about from x-years ago took place, we wouldn't live in a society that's apparently as reprehensible as this. Or, perhaps (as I suspect), things are simply very much like they have been since your parents had the same complaints about YOUR generation.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I think this explains why Ohio State is ranked lower than Texas..............

 

[rnatalli]

I believe you said the principal is a she. Has anyone asked if she's hot

 

[highfigh]

People overreact all the time. This has to do with lawsuits. The school can get suited for anything. We are in desparate need of common sense law for lawsuits.

When lawyers work for 30%-40% if they win, it's not hard to see who wants the awards to remain as high as possible.

 

[NicolasKL]

How would the OP feel if instead his kid had wound up in the hospital with a broken arm or a concussion? Would that be better?

The student may not have understood the rules during class.

So you're saying his kid is retarded? I can't imagine there are a whole lot of kids to whom the concept of touch football is completely alien and even if there are I'm sure it was explained.

 

[lsiberian]

That's the problem with political correctness, is that every kid is a winner and there are no losers. Todays PC is not preparing them for how it is in the real world, hence why we have young adults who think the world owes them friggin everything on a silver platter.

Our generation had to work for our stuff, our folks gave us a good belt whipping if we got out of line and when I acted out in class, I not only got the paddle from the principle but when I got home I got it again from the parents for getting an arse whuppin by the principal. But you know what It taught me not to do that kind of shyt again ,,,,,,or at least not get caught

I agree that holding your child for tackling a kid is beyond stupid, heck schools don't even allow dodge ball anymore because those red balls can sting a wee bit (boo friggin hoo) I thought dodge ball was the best tool to teach you flexibility and that when everyone is tossing crap at you, you either dodge it or get hit (a lesson that has followed me all through life)

I recall going home to my folks house a few years ago and they were raising my neice (sis had issues) anyway my neice was acting up and my mom goes, "okay you need to sit in time out" I was like, "TIME OUT???, what's this time out crapola, when I was a kid and did the same thing, I got a butt whuppin" my moms response, "we love her more than you" (Mom was kidding BTW she has a wicked sense of humor) But shows you how parenting has changed over the years (even with the same parents)

But it shows why kids today are spoiled, throw temper tantrums in public and instead of asking and getting a "No" they scream and the parents cave in. Now this principle deals with this all day long and the restrictions are so stiff, that she probably had no choice, but i agree, tackling a kid during PE....LAME!!!!

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/viortrdtab.htm

It seems kids these days are turning into criminals less than kids in previous times.

People say the same thing you say all the time in every generation. The reality is most parents do a good job with their children. 1 screaming kid makes a lot of noise, but I can tell you that for the most parts kids aren't that bad. I can also tell you that having my tv and video games removed from my room did far more to straighten me up than my mothers enraged beatings.

 

[adwilk]

The reality is most parents do a good job with their children.

If by good job you mean letting their kids push them around and spending more effort being their "buddy" instead of their parent, I agree.

 

[JerryLove]

If by good job you mean letting their kids push them around and spending more effort being their "buddy" instead of their parent, I agree.

Amazing that this majority of kids grow up to be push-over parents neh?

Can I see your data? I'd like to both quantify and qualify your claim.

 

[lsiberian]

If by good job you mean letting their kids push them around and spending more effort being their "buddy" instead of their parent, I agree.

I've not seen this as a majority of kids, but perhaps as PDawg said kids in Texas are better behaved. Kids did this many year ago too. My Granny told me about parents in her generation that spoiled their kids too.

And I've seen kids that got spanked that were still rotten. So pretending it's a method is ridiculous too.

 

[adwilk]

Amazing that this majority of kids grow up to be push-over parents neh?

Can I see your data? I'd like to both quantify and qualify your claim.

On what grounds do I have to either quantify or qualify an opinion?

Since when around here can we not just have a constructive conversation without gobs of data to substantiate an outlook?

 

[adwilk]

And I've seen kids that got spanked that were still rotten. So pretending it's a method is ridiculous too.

I agree with that. Kids don't need to spanked to understand their place. Ultimately whatever commands respect is the method that needs to be implemented.

 

[adwilk]

Where did we land on the hotness of the Principal? pics?

 

[lsiberian]

On what grounds do have to either quantify or qualify an opinion?

Since when around here can we not just have a constructive conversation without gobs of data to substantiate an outlook?

I think your view is understandable without data. There are parents that have trouble raising their kids. Many of them are raising Kids to be wimps, but that happened in my day too. We played tackle football in the street and football in a gravel pit in elementary school. I imagine that would be outlawed today. But thanks to the kidnapping fears we weren't allowed to go down to the park and play on grass.

Even though you are far more likely to be seriously hurt in the street than be kidnapped out of a park.

Still not every parent is doing that. Most parents I've met are raising good kids. I know they aren't the ones people notice, but kids aren't as wild as people seem to think IMO. Still asking for statistics is a bit ridiculous. However I think the crime statistic is helpful in dispelling myths.

 

[adwilk]

I think your view is understandable without data. There are parents that have trouble raising their kids. Many of them are raising Kids to be wimps, but that happened in my day too. We played tackle football in the street and football in a gravel pit in elementary school. I imagine that would be outlawed today. But thanks to the kidnapping fears we weren't allowed to go down to the park and play on grass.

Even though you are far more likely to be seriously hurt in the street than be kidnapped out of a park.

Still not every parent is doing that. Most parents I've met are raising good kids. I know they aren't the ones people notice, but kids aren't as wild as people seem to think IMO. Still asking for statistics is a bit ridiculous. However I think the crime statistic is helpful in dispelling myths.

I appreciate your post. Very good points.

My only question is.... Since when is the crime rate the grade-card for how parents are doing raising kids?