Freedom of Speech & Forum Decorum

CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
Freedom of speech – something many Americans (and others) hold near & dear. We enjoy living in a society where we can speak our minds, and even speak out against those in charge – within reason. Internet chat rooms & forums are a bit of a different beast though. Most forums are based on a central theme or topic, and the sections contained therein may limit the posters to certain criteria in order to make the site as inviting to as many members as possible. There are rules to follow, which some feel limits their freedom of speech, but in a manner (more or less) consistent with polite social behavior. I wonder though how some of the conversations here differ from how the same conversations would take place face-to-face. “Internet anonymity” as I like to call it makes for a very different means of communicating, conversing & debating. Few people put out their real name or picture of themselves in order to hide behind an assumed persona. This has the advantage of allowing the poster to say things they wouldn’t otherwise say in a face-to-face conversation. It’s not always the case, but there is a sense of security in knowing there is little to no immediate reprisals for speaking one’s mind. There is also the matter of time – in a normal conversation, you can respond right away. In a forum, you can consider your words more carefully, or just cut loose and say what you will. Sometimes as we type what we think we want to say, because there is the mechanics of typing the message, we have more time to mull over what we are saying, and how we want it to come across. We also have the advantage of audio/visual tools & aids. In a face-to-face conversation, you can’t just reach into your pocket and pull out a picture, chart, written reference or video to add to the conversation, the internet affords the poster these opportunities. On these boards, there is a time limited option to edit or delete a post once it’s made. There is also the underused “ignore” function. I’ve only felt the need to use this twice, once on another board, and once here. It can make things less stressful if there is a member you’re always at odds with.

A post is also subject to moderator approval, which brings me to the second part of this dissertation: Forum Decorum. Most forums have a uniting theme or subject matter, but it seem like all have an area where members can converse about a multitude of topics. It doesn’t take long to see which topics people can become impassioned or even irate about. Politics & religion are two “hot button” topics, and very tight reins are usually kept on any conversations involving either or both. Everyone has an opinion/point of view, and while it’s OK to state yours, it’s generally not OK to tell someone with an opposing view they are wrong. Moderators are overseers, and while some people think they infringe on their “Freedom”, they have their duties to keep everything friendly.

Recently, one of the members called out a moderator:

“How do you reconcile such a sweeping immoderate statement with your role as "moderator"?”

And the retort?

“Being a moderator does not bar me from having an opinion.”

Having the title & responsibilities of a moderator does not mean the person is limited to a moderate point of view, nor liberal nor conservative. A moderator makes sure everyone is playing by the rules – no fighting or name calling, no pornography, no “swear” words etc., but they have just as much right as anyone else to state their opinions and viewpoints.

This is probably old hat for many of you, but it never hurts to be reminded or enlightened.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
It should also be noted, as has been pointed out by Clint and others on the staff, that this is a private forum and the rules are at their sole discretion.
 
gmichael

gmichael

Audioholic Spartan
Freedom of speech – something many Americans (and others) hold near & dear. We enjoy living in a society where we can speak our minds, and even speak out against those in charge – within reason. Internet chat rooms & forums are a bit of a different beast though. Most forums are based on a central theme or topic, and the sections contained therein may limit the posters to certain criteria in order to make the site as inviting to as many members as possible. There are rules to follow, which some feel limits their freedom of speech, but in a manner (more or less) consistent with polite social behavior. I wonder though how some of the conversations here differ from how the same conversations would take place face-to-face. “Internet anonymity” as I like to call it makes for a very different means of communicating, conversing & debating. Few people put out their real name or picture of themselves in order to hide behind an assumed persona. This has the advantage of allowing the poster to say things they wouldn’t otherwise say in a face-to-face conversation. It’s not always the case, but there is a sense of security in knowing there is little to no immediate reprisals for speaking one’s mind. There is also the matter of time – in a normal conversation, you can respond right away. In a forum, you can consider your words more carefully, or just cut loose and say what you will. Sometimes as we type what we think we want to say, because there is the mechanics of typing the message, we have more time to mull over what we are saying, and how we want it to come across. We also have the advantage of audio/visual tools & aids. In a face-to-face conversation, you can’t just reach into your pocket and pull out a picture, chart, written reference or video to add to the conversation, the internet affords the poster these opportunities. On these boards, there is a time limited option to edit or delete a post once it’s made. There is also the underused “ignore” function. I’ve only felt the need to use this twice, once on another board, and once here. It can make things less stressful if there is a member you’re always at odds with.

A post is also subject to moderator approval, which brings me to the second part of this dissertation: Forum Decorum. Most forums have a uniting theme or subject matter, but it seem like all have an area where members can converse about a multitude of topics. It doesn’t take long to see which topics people can become impassioned or even irate about. Politics & religion are two “hot button” topics, and very tight reins are usually kept on any conversations involving either or both. Everyone has an opinion/point of view, and while it’s OK to state yours, it’s generally not OK to tell someone with an opposing view they are wrong. Moderators are overseers, and while some people think they infringe on their “Freedom”, they have their duties to keep everything friendly.

Recently, one of the members called out a moderator:

“How do you reconcile such a sweeping immoderate statement with your role as "moderator"?”

And the retort?

“Being a moderator does not bar me from having an opinion.”

Having the title & responsibilities of a moderator does not mean the person is limited to a moderate point of view, nor liberal nor conservative. A moderator makes sure everyone is playing by the rules – no fighting or name calling, no pornography, no “swear” words etc., but they have just as much right as anyone else to state their opinions and viewpoints.

This is probably old hat for many of you, but it never hurts to be reminded or enlightened.
Here here!

Nice post.
 
CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
It should also be noted, as has been pointed out by Clint and others on the staff, that this is a private forum and the rules are at their sole discretion.
Exactly! – I like to think of it as we are guests in someone else’s house, and should behave accordingly.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I enjoy this forum because we are respectful of each other. I disagree strongly with some folks on things, but I can respect them. I've found some of the discussions to be very well developed. It's a nerd paradise at times though with all the quotations. :D

Still the most fun topics are the ones where the monkey turns it into comedy. I think his position as 1st in rep indicates that at the end of the day we are here to have a good time.
 
njedpx3

njedpx3

Audioholic General
I enjoy this forum because we are respectful of each other. I disagree strongly with some folks on things, but I can respect them. I've found some of the discussions to be very well developed. It's a nerd paradise at times though with all the quotations. :D

Still the most fun topics are the ones where the monkey turns it into comedy. I think his position as 1st in rep indicates that at the end of the day we are here to have a good time.
Isiberian- well stated - you can also learn a lot here! But the two A's and you keep the threads stoked and the forum alive :D THANKS

Forest Man
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I think the issue rased about moderators is one of taking sides. Slashdot is community modertated, and one interesting trait is that you cannot moderate and post in the same thread. It's always more difficult to be impartial in ones role as moderator if one is also a partial poster on the same topic.

As for in-person vs online: I certainly know what you are referring to. I've met more than one person from more than one forum: some of whom I got along with online and some I did not. I did find people were generally less callous when they had to sit across a table from you.

The exception would be rec.martial.arts. The one person who I attempted to meet who I really disliked (I was trying to get him to show to fight him, and was very clear on that) kept puffing his chest on the internet but never showed.

I think I'm the only person here using my full name as a handle.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
It does not attract "yes men". You don't have to agree with anything anyone says, but you can learn to bite your tounge or stay out of a discussion if it displeases you. There is a difference between discussing and arguing. I definitely have opinions but I don't come here to discuss political or theological subjects, so I tend to stay out of those threads. If you don't like the subject matter or a thead, don't get involved; it IS the Internet after all.
 
sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
I think the issue rased about moderators is one of taking sides. Slashdot is community modertated, and one interesting trait is that you cannot moderate and post in the same thread. It's always more difficult to be impartial in ones role as moderator if one is also a partial poster on the same topic.

As for in-person vs online: I certainly know what you are referring to. I've met more than one person from more than one forum: some of whom I got along with online and some I did not. I did find people were generally less callous when they had to sit across a table from you.

The exception would be rec.martial.arts. The one person who I attempted to meet who I really disliked (I was trying to get him to show to fight him, and was very clear on that) kept puffing his chest on the internet but never showed.

I think I'm the only person here using my full name as a handle.
You using your full name means exactly what? Nothing really, many of us here know each others real name address and phone number so I fail to see the importance of one using their respective full names as opposed to a handle, the way you state that you think you are the only person doing that makes it seem as if you like chest puffing yourself, :rolleyes:
* and no I am not directly starting some nonsense with you I just dont see your reasoning there, the first part of your post (paragragh) I get.
 
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JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Ninja
I wonder though how some of the conversations here differ from how the same conversations would take place face-to-face. “Internet anonymity” as I like to call it makes for a very different means of communicating, conversing & debating. Few people put out their real name or picture of themselves in order to hide behind an assumed persona.
JerryLove said:
I think I'm the only person here using my full name as a handle.
You using your full name means exactly what?
That I'm posting my response without the anonymity of not putting out a real name?

Nothing really, many of us here know each others real name address and phone number so I fail to see the importance of one using their respective full names as opposed to a handle, the way you state that you think you are the only person doing that makes it seem as if you like chest puffing yourself, :rolleyes:
I was not thumping my chest. If I were going to do that I would have long ago.

I've tried to read my post the way you are seeing it. I likely should have worded it differently. I'm quite aware that many people here are not anonymous to each other. I'm excited that several live in my neck of the woods and in fact look forward to forming some relationships at least good enough to come stare at each other's A/V gear.
 
CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
I think there are some misconceptions about what a moderator’s responsibility are. They do not exist on the boards solely to “moderate” what others are posting – they join in the threads they choose to because they want to offer their input while moderating the thread (and others), making sure everyone is in line with the rules and behaving properly. Their role does not limit their point of view, nor prevent them from voicing it. This has been the case on every forum I’ve been on.

If it helps, I got a PM from Gene assuring me that no one would ever be banned for having & voicing an opinion, even if it went against the grain.
 
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10010011

Senior Audioholic
It should also be noted, as has been pointed out by Clint and others on the staff, that this is a private forum and the rules are at their sole discretion.
Exactly, I see people on forums (usually after having been moderated) throwing around freedom of speech arguments. But internet forums, while publicly accessible, are private property.

Just like my yard is publicly accessible from the city street. But you have no constitutional right to come in to my yard and say something I do not want to hear and I have every right to have you removed.
 
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