First time I have seen this design

walter duque

walter duque

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Hopefully its the last time as well
This is made by a company that makes highend speakers. If you know anything about JSE Infinite Slope Speakers (and I am sure many oldtimers on this forum do) well this sub is designed by him. You know the Infinite Slope Crossover? And the post was "what do you think of the design". Besides that sub is a couple of G's.
 
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walter duque

walter duque

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If the woofer is mounted internally and not on the outside at all, it's called a bandpass enclosure, using a sealed box firing into a vented box. They're used in car audio a lot.
You where right it is a bandpass design.
 
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walter duque

walter duque

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All I can say is WOW. Great looking subs. 20 years old, I guess I am a little behind time. You have some setup. I just love your speakers.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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TLS Guy
All I can say is WOW. Great looking subs. 20 years old, I guess I am a little behind time. You have some setup. I just love your speakers.
Thank you for your kind comments. I use that little system quite a lot in the winter to listen to music by the fire.



I have a big stock of wood in for this winter! They are forecasting snow for Thursday already.

 
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HDPCsound

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Thank you for your kind comments. I use that little system quite a lot in the winter to listen to music by the fire.



I have a big stock of wood in for this winter! They are forecasting snow for Thursday already.

What a relaxing idea, all with a good subwoofer system. :D
 
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smihalik

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This is made by a company that makes highend speakers. If you know anything about JSE Infinite Slope Speakers (and I am sure many oldtimers on this forum do) well this sub is designed by him. You know the Infinite Slope Crossover? And the post was "what do you think of the design". Besides that sub is a couple of G's.
I was commenting from an aesthetic standpoint. I though that's what he meant by the "design". I don't think having the ports facing the front would have any advantage in terms of performance. Maybe in terms of placement...

For "a couple of G's" I'd rather have this sitting in my living room:
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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What's on the back if that is the front?
It will be the amp controls and plugs. You don't see the drivers in a coupled cavity design.

Those subs of mine contain two 12 inch drivers, but you can't see them. All sound is emitted from the ports.
 
walter duque

walter duque

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It will be the amp controls and plugs. You don't see the drivers in a coupled cavity design.

Those subs of mine contain two 12 inch drivers, but you can't see them. All sound is emitted from the ports.
How do your 2 subs sound compared to a conventional design?
 
mtrycrafts

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It will be the amp controls and plugs. You don't see the drivers in a coupled cavity design.

Those subs of mine contain two 12 inch drivers, but you can't see them. All sound is emitted from the ports.
Oh K, thanks:D
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

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How do your 2 subs sound compared to a conventional design?
Those subs were made for a purpose. Being isobarik and coupled cavity, they are very inefficient.

I built them to splice to the speakers that are now my surrounds, that I used to use on location recording. They are sealed with an F3 of 53 Hz. Band pass subs have a second order roll off high and low pass acoustically.

Also in a band pass sub, the designer has precise control of Q. So I could extend the bass, without, making it at all boomy

The current speakers use the venerable KEF B 139s on a ported enclosure. I know these driver s very well after thirty plus years using them. I can really mask the fact the enclosures are ported, and they have an alignment that is first order stating at about 100 Hz, so -3db is 53 Hz, but they are still only 6 db down at 30 Hz, at they point they roll off at 24 db per octave.

So the subs have practically nothing to do. I have customized a Crown VFX 2 to splice the curves. So now the combined curves roll off at 12 db per octave with a 3 db point of 27 Hz.

So if you play the subs alone, you only occasionally hear them on music.

However on tone sweeps you can hear the difference markedly, and also on music that has low bass content. Even though the are highly inefficient, they are called on to produce so little sound the Quad 405 2 driving them barely gets warm.

I would not recommend these subs for a home theater situation.

The other thing is that coupled cavity designs have higher distortion and time delay issues than conventionally ported subs. In fact the distortion and time delay issues are so high with third and fourth order coupled cavity alignments, that I won't use them. Apparently Dr Omar Bose disagrees as he lives these higher order alignments for his bass modules.

So in summary, these subs were designed and built for a very specific purpose, and for general use I would expect people to be quite disappointed with them. However in the manor I use them, it guilds the lily nicely in that very nice sounding system in that space. That is the beauty of DIY.

It was a foul rainy cold afternoon on Saturday, and my wife and I listened to music all afternoon by the fire, ending our listening with two hours of Prairie Home Companion. A really warm fuzzy pleasant afternoon.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Apparently Dr Omar Bose disagrees as he lives these higher order alignments for his bass modules.
Dr Amar Bose disagrees with most conventional speaker building practices and spent much more time with his marketing planners. It's too bad, too, because so many people now think his speakers actually sound good.
 
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