Wow, this disturbed me

[darien87]

People are lazy and greedy, this is what separates humans from these other meat eating animals. Because we are lazy and greedy we have a grinder in which we can throw chicks into that we apparently aren't economically viable. The lazy part is that we have an easy access grinder.

In a democracy like ours the people make all the decisions, the American population as a whole decided it wanted cheaper eggs (greedy). Do eggs need to be as cheap as they are? I don't think so. If we all didn't go out for dinner every night spending a disproportionate amount of funds on crappy service from people that hate their jobs we could easily afford to purchase eggs and other groceries that can be prepared at home at a far lower cost even if it all cost 50% more than it does now.

The problem I have with this is, when was the American public told, "Oh by the way, we're going to grind up baby chicks in a meat grinder to keep eggs cheap. That doesn't bother you does it?"

And by the way, the wife and I go out to dinner maybe once a week. But times are tough and we just can't afford to eat out much. Luckily I'm a great cook. But when we go out, it's usually to have something fancy, that we can't cook at home.

 

[darien87]

I would treat a deer better than a terrorist, but hey that's just me. A bullet is the quickest way possible to take a deer and I would think less painful than an arrow.

I was watching a hunting show a few weeks back and they were shooting coyotes somewhere on a ranch. That actually bothered me. I know the farmers need them thinned out, but I just did not see the point. It was like shooting stray dogs. That type of hunting, if you can even call it hunting, I don't like.

This doesn't make sense to me. Personally, I find hunting for sport abhorrent. But I'll defend your right to do it with my last breath. I just don't get where you see a difference between Coyotes and Deer. An animal is still being killed for no apparent reason.

I've always felt that if you are going to hunt, you should do it for real. Put on a loin cloth, carry a bow, arrows and a knife and stalk and kill the animal like a caveman. No guns, no laser sights, no camouflage. Then you should skin the animal and use every part of it.

 

[ivseenbetter]

This doesn't make sense to me. Personally, I find hunting for sport abhorrent. But I'll defend your right to do it with my last breath. I just don't get where you see a difference between Coyotes and Deer. An animal is still being killed for no apparent reason.

I've always felt that if you are going to hunt, you should do it for real. Put on a loin cloth, carry a bow, arrows and a knife and stalk and kill the animal like a caveman. No guns, no laser sights, no camouflage. Then you should skin the animal and use every part of it.

Heck yeah. I agree with this. I work with a ton of hunters and we always enjoy discussing this in detail. To me, this type of hunting should be the only type of hunting. Then it is one on one. Hide in a tree and drop down onto a deer and slit it's throat. That is bragging rights. Shooting it with a rifle from 50 yds away with a scope while covering yourself in deer piss is just lame and boring.

However, they always fall back on the need to thin the herd so as to avoid starvation in the winter time. I don't know how true that is but they seem to be pretty adamant about it.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

This doesn't make sense to me. Personally, I find hunting for sport abhorrent. But I'll defend your right to do it with my last breath. I just don't get where you see a difference between Coyotes and Deer. An animal is still being killed for no apparent reason.

I've always felt that if you are going to hunt, you should do it for real. Put on a loin cloth, carry a bow, arrows and a knife and stalk and kill the animal like a caveman. No guns, no laser sights, no camouflage. Then you should skin the animal and use every part of it.

The difference is I am going to eat the deer. The coyotes were just being slaughtered and thrown out. I personally will only hunt what I am going to eat. Shooting an animal for a trophy is just not my thing. However, like you I will defend the rights of others to do it.

 

[majorloser]

Wow, there are a few real uncompassionate folks around here. I feel bad for those folks that have such cold look on life. I just assume you must have shut yourself off from other feelings beside compassion.

Anyway, there is always another way. To tell me that taking a baby chick and putting it into a meat grinder is the most humane way to end their lives is bs. That is the easiest way to end their lives. I also don't buy this balogna about how much more expensive it would be to either find some other use for the chicks or a better way to put them down in a more compassionate way. Show me proof it would cost so much more. Sure, there may be more cost associated, but spreading that cost across their entire product may only be a rise in price by a nickel...oh, and the idea that putting that silly sticker on there would raise the price is ridiculous. Again, since this would be a mass produced item you are looking at fractions of a penny per product. The end result is a very insignificant raise in price.

I'm not a liberal and I don't expect to become a vegan, this is just a matter of right vs wrong. It isn't right to meaninglessly destroy life with a meat grinder. I'm not an enterprising man so I don't know what the solution is...but I am a betting man and I am willing to bet that there is a solution out there somewhere. Ultimately I don't expect things to change. People will continue doing what they do. I will continue to buy these eggs, but I honestly don't know how a person can look themselves in the mirror when they make their living by tossing baby chicks in a meat grinder. A cold mind and cold heart like that only needs the right motivation to start coming up with reasons to start grinding up members of their own species.

I also wonder how many of the folks who have made comments about how they don't see anything wrong with this have ever worked on a farm? I have, and you gotta do what you gotta do when it comes time to slaughter your favorite pig but it isn't done in a way that is so non-challant as a meat grinder.

Would you like me to post videos how they electrocute livestock before they chop off the heads with a chainsaw? Or the conveyor belt that hold chickens heads up while a rotating blade chops off their heads? I'll bet you'd really like me to post videos of how they kill calves to make veal?

Let me guess, you're not a hunter and have never cleaned your own kill. Never hung up a deer and gutted it. Never had to work on farm. Wring a chicken's neck or whack it's head off with a hatchet.

And would you like to know about how they grind up animal carcasses at certain West Coast animal shelters and pump them to the sewer? (Muffin Monster)

All this talk make me want to grill up some venison backstrap.

 

[darien87]

Would you like me to post videos how they electrocute livestock before they chop off the heads with a chainsaw? Or the conveyor belt that hold chickens heads up while a rotating blade chops off their heads? I'll bet you'd really like me to post videos of how they kill calves to make veal?

Let me guess, you're not a hunter and have never cleaned your own kill. Never hung up a deer and gutted it. Never had to work on farm. Wring a chicken's neck or whack it's head off with a hatchet.

And would you like to know about how they grind up animal carcasses at certain West Coast animal shelters and pump them to the sewer? (Muffin Monster)

All this talk make me want to grill up some venison backstrap.

Ummmm... his post said that he had indeed worked on a farm. The treatment of calves for veal is precisely why I don't eat veal.

 

[jostenmeat]

However, they always fall back on the need to thin the herd so as to avoid starvation in the winter time. I don't know how true that is but they seem to be pretty adamant about it.

I heard that there are parts of N America, perhaps specifically in Canada, where deer overpopulation is a serious thing. Like deers on the roads, getting killed, and/or hurting people while getting hit. As in the population, and the physical expanse of this population, dwarfing the actual town. I don't have proof, just something someone told me.

This same guy said it was dogs that were the most dangerous animal threat to humans, actually. Not the dogs born into the wild, but formerly domesticated dogs that the owners unfortunately left in the wild for whatever reason. These formerly domesticated dogs have no fear at all of humans (as they've lived with them), and they are super pissed off at people for abandoning them. He mentioned St Bernards as a common dog (tough to take care, and therefore stupidly abandoned into the wild) up there, IIRC. ok, that was tangential, but I decided to share it anyways.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Seen it twice. Even bought a T-shirt. They had one body that had various types of replacements attached, (knee, hip, etc.) VERY cool exhibit.

Yes, indeed. And, that lung that was damaged by smoke should make a believer out of smokers. I am lucky that I never acquired that habit

 

[mtrycrafts]

I would treat a deer better than a terrorist, but hey that's just me. A bullet is the quickest way possible to take a deer and I would think less painful than an arrow.

I was watching a hunting show a few weeks back and they were shooting coyotes somewhere on a ranch. That actually bothered me. I know the farmers need them thinned out, but I just did not see the point. It was like shooting stray dogs. That type of hunting, if you can even call it hunting, I don't like.

Well, I never hunted, and at this life stage, most likely never will need it

Yes, I can just imagine the pain with bow hunting. But, even a bullet, wrongly placed could take death a long time to come.

 

[mtrycrafts]

..I've always felt that if you are going to hunt, you should do it for real. Put on a loin cloth, carry a bow, arrows and a knife and stalk and kill the animal like a caveman. No guns, no laser sights, no camouflage. Then you should skin the animal and use every part of it.

Yes, and no 15 or more bullet clips on semi auto mode

 

[mtrycrafts]

...Then it is one on one. Hide in a tree and drop down onto a deer and slit it's throat. That is bragging rights. ....

That reminds me of Gena Davis in 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' saw recently, again. How she breaks the neck to minimize suffering of the deer She is my type

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Ummmm... his post said that he had indeed worked on a farm. The treatment of calves for veal is precisely why I don't eat veal.

You know, I am not to crazy about how they get veal either. Jeesh I am starting to sound like a PETA member Quick somebody call Ted Nugent for me I need help

 

[darien87]

You know, I am not to crazy about how they get veal either. Jeesh I am starting to sound like a PITA member Quick somebody call Ted Nugent for me I need help

P - People
E - for Eating
T - Tasty
A - Animals

"Animals have their place in this world. Next to my mashed potatoes."

 

[ivseenbetter]

Would you like me to post videos how they electrocute livestock before they chop off the heads with a chainsaw? Or the conveyor belt that hold chickens heads up while a rotating blade chops off their heads? I'll bet you'd really like me to post videos of how they kill calves to make veal?

Let me guess, you're not a hunter and have never cleaned your own kill. Never hung up a deer and gutted it. Never had to work on farm. Wring a chicken's neck or whack it's head off with a hatchet.

And would you like to know about how they grind up animal carcasses at certain West Coast animal shelters and pump them to the sewer? (Muffin Monster)

All this talk make me want to grill up some venison backstrap.

You would guess wrong...which is kind of ridiculous since I already posted that I had worked on a farm. It sucks, especially when it isn't your own farm. We lived in the country so I had a choice of working with cows or pigs. Pigs stink worse than cows so I choose cows. Now don't go guessing that I chose pigs since I already laid it out there for you. I've also hunted, but I found it to be pretty boring. But, this isn't about me.

Those practices for slaughtering those animals are terrible. Perhaps they are necessary to maintain the food supply to society as a whole. I don't know that for a fact but I am willing to believe that might be the case. However, all of it is done to satisfy a need in society. We have to produce large quantities of meat quickly and that means slaughtering animals in a gruesome, but efficient manner so I don't complain about that. My issue is with the coldhearted practice that was shown in this article. It serves no purpose. They are killing these chicks, not out of necessity, but because they don't want to be bothered with finding a use for them. Mike C mentioned in an earlier post that in the Phillipines they just eat them all, young and small. I have no issues with that. At least then there is a purpose to the slaughter. Basically, being put in a meat grinder is a crappy way to go and I think they could come up with a better way to kill them, and then I think they could also look into ways to actually utilizing these chicks as some kind of product so that there is a purpose behind the slaughter.

 

[mtrycrafts]

....
...They are killing these chicks, not out of necessity, but because they don't want to be bothered with finding a use for them. Mike C mentioned in an earlier post that in the Phillipines they just eat them all, young and small. I have no issues with that. At least then there is a purpose to the slaughter. Basically, being put in a meat grinder is a crappy way to go and I think they could come up with a better way to kill them, and then I think they could also look into ways to actually utilizing these chicks as some kind of product so that there is a purpose behind the slaughter.

Well, in reality, or may not be reality but for now I will accept their word:
"There is, unfortunately, no way to breed eggs that only produce female hens," said spokesman Head. "If someone has a need for 200 million male chicks, we're happy to provide them to anyone who wants them. But we can find no market, no need."



While those chicks may have a use in the Phillipens, the market is just not there in the US. Yes, it would be better to use them as feed but, for an industry here it doesn't seem viable.

 

[10010011]

It does sound cruel and inhuman but until they can get the breeding process down so as to not produce males, which are virtually useless* in the chicken/egg industry, what else can we do with the unwanted and useless male chicks. Put 'em up for adoption? I wonder if Brangelina can take some of them?

At least it seems to be generally accepted that the method they use is the quickest and most humane possible. Let's hope it is.

And, looking at from another perspective, in the long run, the females don't really fare out much better. A few weeks down the road they wind up cut in pieces and wrapped in cellophane in a refrigerated bin in your local supermarket.

OMG: did I just agree with markw?

My grand parents did the same thing on the farm, but Grampa use a hammer.

 

[mtrycrafts]

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My grand parents did the same thing on the farm, but Grampa use a hammer.

You mean he didn't boil the head in chicken soup and eat the brains? I did. Tasks very good