This could be the end for now.

[Tomorrow]

the internet isn't a switch that can be flipped off. There is no way to shut it down. Even if you tried you'd probably face a stiff resistance.

I think you are paranoid.

The current version of the proposed Senate Bill S773, amongst other burdensome things, gives the president and his commission the right to take over any private, U.S. owned computer network. It is woefully gullible to think that the American government does not have the technical capability to take down the internet, especially its availability to users in this country. This pesky "legal" part of it is all that remains.

He's paranoid? lsiberian, apparently you haven't yet heard the tiny footsteps of the proposed federal militia.

 

[highfigh]

Property taxes are the stupidest thing ever IMO.

How would you have the states receive operating capital?

I wouldn't mind paying what people in some areas do but WI is insane. I would have to live in a house that's close to $1M in Overland Park, KS to pay what I do here. In PHX, it would be similar. My house has a fair market value of about $195K. The governor promised in his campaign that he wouldn't raise property taxes. Mine have increased close to 10% since he was elected and he's not even done with his second term. The school tax levy alone is up 7% in two years. They have added and increased fees and taxes- as of today, a pack of cigarettes gets another $.75 tax, which puts it up to $3.26/pack just in taxes. Our gasoline taxes are among the highest in the country and the money was supposed to go for road and highway repairs. Our roads are terrible and in some parts of MKE, they haven't been replaced for over 40 years. If you want to see what 40+ years of hot, cold, salt, freeze/thaw and heavy traffic will do to concrete, come on up. We also have a new $.75 tax on each cell phone. I didn't hear if that's a national tax, though.

When we sold my parents' house in '01, the property taxes were far more than the mortgage payment ever was and I pay barely less than $400/'month just for property tax.

 

[highfigh]

the internet isn't a switch that can be flipped off. There is no way to shut it down. Even if you tried you'd probably face a stiff resistance.

I think you are paranoid.

"You'd be paranoid, too, if everyone was out to get you!" (Frank Burns)

 

[redass]

I don't view anything in black and white, but rather right and wrong.

yeah, those would be the same exact things.

hell of a quote though... makes me think of yogi berra.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

yeah, those would be the same exact things.

hell of a quote though... makes me think of yogi berra.

Sorry to burst your little bubble but there is such a thing as right and wrong. I know that is hard concept for a liberal to grasp. Sometimes things are absolute with no shades of grey, and there are plenty of examples in life of that.

And I know what you were trying to say with your little black and white comment, but I took it like you were trying to bring race into it.

 

[aberkowitz]

And how long did Bolshevik Russia last? Until Lenin died, in 1924. When they gave the lowest people the same as what the wealthy got, why wouldn't they let everyone vote? There's no way those people would vote against them.

I'd really like people to know for what and for whom they're voting. This last election was not a good example of that. It was reactive voting, nothing more.

I'm not saying that it worked... I'm just showing an example of what they tried, and yes it didn't work anymore once Stalin came to power. However, I think it would have been interesting to see if Lenin had survived and where that country could have gone.

With regards to the last election- was there a decent candidate who actually ran?

 

[jeffsg4mac]

With regards to the last election- was there a decent candidate who actually ran?

I liked Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo

 

[highfigh]

I'm not saying that it worked... I'm just showing an example of what they tried, and yes it didn't work anymore once Stalin came to power. However, I think it would have been interesting to see if Lenin had survived and where that country could have gone.

With regards to the last election- was there a decent candidate who actually ran?

I think one of the local high schools had a pretty good race for class president. Otherwise, no.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

The current version of the proposed Senate Bill S773, amongst other burdensome things, gives the president and his commission the right to take over any private, U.S. owned computer network. It is woefully gullible to think that the American government does not have the technical capability to take down the internet, especially its availability to users in this country. This pesky "legal" part of it is all that remains.

He's paranoid? lsiberian, apparently you haven't yet heard the tiny footsteps of the proposed federal militia.

I love how the anti-Bush crowd was so up in arms at what he was doing with wiretaps, he is stealing or freedom etc, etc. What he was doing is nothing compared to what this clown wants and yet they embrace it with open arms. It is one of the most hypocritical things I have ever seen.

 

[Tomorrow]

I love how the anti-Bush crowd was so up in arms at what he was doing with wiretaps, he is stealing or freedom etc, etc. What he was doing is nothing compared to what this clown wants and yet they embrace it with open arms. It is one of the most hypocritical things I have ever seen.

Whooof...I haven't had this much fun since I got drafted in 1966.

I'm trying to stay out of the philosophical debate in this thread and stick to the facts. And since nobody has jumped in my soup yet, I guess I'll keep going. (Thanks for taking pity on an old man. ) Here's one more vid for you from that wonderful toy...YouTube.

(Just to the liberal leaning folks here...does this and the other videos I posted represent your feelings and desires and the way you'd like to see your government run? I'm truly curious. Thanks for a response.)

Without further ado, I bring you the articulate...the devine...Congresswoman Ms. Maxine Waters.....!

 

[markw]

With regards to the last election- was there a decent candidate who actually ran?

No. This reminds me of 1976 when people were still sore abut Nixon that they voted against ford, his appointed replacement and went for Jimmy Carter.

We all know how well that went...

 

[highfigh]

I love how the anti-Bush crowd was so up in arms at what he was doing with wiretaps, he is stealing or freedom etc, etc. What he was doing is nothing compared to what this clown wants and yet they embrace it with open arms. It is one of the most hypocritical things I have ever seen.

But he's on their side.

 

[aberkowitz]

No. This reminds me of 1976 when people were still sore abut Nixon that they voted against ford, his appointed replacement and went for Jimmy Carter.

We all know how well that went...

Difference is, while Obama has as little experience as Carter did he's not going to run into a Reagan buzzsaw come the next election.

If ever there was a time that a serious 3rd party candidate could win, it could be 2012.

 

[Tomorrow]

If ever there was a time that a serious 3rd party candidate could win, it could be 2012.

We can only hope. But a third party win is a tough road as evidenced by the best effort in the last 100 years...Teddy Roosevelt and his Bull Moose Party in 1912. He whipped the good ol' boy conservative, William Howard Taft. But enough Taft supporters bolted over to support who probably became the worst U.S. President in history since Taft (until George W. Bush and Barack Obama, IMHO), Woodrow Wilson.

As a little aside to this history, and in the "What a man!" catagory, TR was shot in the back in an assassination attempt on his way to a campaign speech. But he gave the 90 minute speech, anyway. (And he carried the bullet inside him until the day he died.) We could use another of this kind of man...or woman...at this point in our history...a fiscal conservative and national patriot with broadly progressive social ideas (he supported women's suffrage and of course inaugurated the Federal Parks system, setting aside most of our current National Parklands, was primarily responsible for the Panama Canal, and became the first American to win a Nobel Prize).

No, I fear sensibility must be brought back to the office of the POTUS by a centrist from one of the two main parties who actually displays respect for the American people and their Constitution and not allegiance to some powerful special interest groups or a 'one world' or socialist ideology. Can this kind of person be found and elected? I doubt it...at least not until there is campaign finance reform.

 

[aberkowitz]

No, I fear sensibility must be brought back to the office of the POTUS by a centrist from one of the two main parties who actually displays respect for the American people and their Constitution and not allegiance to some powerful special interest groups or a 'one world' or socialist ideology. Can this kind of person be found and elected? I doubt it...at least not until there is campaign finance reform.

I agree with your description of the ideal 3rd party candidate- however I disagree about campaign finance, b/c the only way we elect somebody other than a Rep/Dem is if they have deep individual pockets to finance their entire campaign- a la Ross Perot.

Perot was a deeply flawed candidate in a lot of ways, but he was beholden to nobody (special interests, party politics) and earned a lot of public trust before he dropped out. He also held views that ran across the political spectrum (he was pro choice but against gun control laws). Most importantly- he was filthy rich and could afford not to take money from anybody.

 

[highfigh]

We can only hope. But a third party win is a tough road as evidenced by the best effort in the last 100 years...Teddy Roosevelt and his Bull Moose Party in 1912. He whipped the good ol' boy conservative, William Howard Taft. But enough Taft supporters bolted over to support who probably became the worst U.S. President in history since Taft (until George W. Bush and Barack Obama, IMHO), Woodrow Wilson.

As a little aside to this history, and in the "What a man!" catagory, TR was shot in the back in an assassination attempt on his way to a campaign speech. But he gave the 90 minute speech, anyway. (And he carried the bullet inside him until the day he died.) We could use another of this kind of man...or woman...at this point in our history...a fiscal conservative and national patriot with broadly progressive social ideas (he supported women's suffrage and of course inaugurated the Federal Parks system, setting aside most of our current National Parklands, was primarily responsible for the Panama Canal, and became the first American to win a Nobel Prize).

No, I fear sensibility must be brought back to the office of the POTUS by a centrist from one of the two main parties who actually displays respect for the American people and their Constitution and not allegiance to some powerful special interest groups or a 'one world' or socialist ideology. Can this kind of person be found and elected? I doubt it...at least not until there is campaign finance reform.

I'm sure that person exists but as I have mentioned before, the best people for the job don't want it. The ones who want it are never the best.

As far as bad Presidents, don't forget Harding.

 

[lsiberian]

The current version of the proposed Senate Bill S773, amongst other burdensome things, gives the president and his commission the right to take over any private, U.S. owned computer network. It is woefully gullible to think that the American government does not have the technical capability to take down the internet, especially its availability to users in this country. This pesky "legal" part of it is all that remains.

He's paranoid? lsiberian, apparently you haven't yet heard the tiny footsteps of the proposed federal militia.

The government can't even shut down the hacking or pirating community. What makes you think they can shut down the whole internet. Especially since it takes me only a few minutes to network with anyone else. Don't underestimate the computer underground.

Paranoid is the right word. He lives near MKE. I went through that town once in my life and it made me Paranoid. I got offered pot while I was there.

If I lived in the same place I'd probably be paranoid too. Plus it's freaking cold up there. Which explains why he's got no issues with Global Warming.

If I lived in Wisconsin I'd be increasing my pollution in hopes of giving myself some relief from chattering teeth and frozen blood vessels.

The reality is the peasants had it better than we do. They only paid 20% of their earnings. Now we pay like 50% once you add up all the taxes we pay. The sad crap is they come up with creative ways to tax us all the time.

Like jacking up the cost of a driver's license.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Difference is, while Obama has as little experience as Carter did he's not going to run into a Reagan buzzsaw come the next election.

If ever there was a time that a serious 3rd party candidate could win, it could be 2012.

You got that right. Time for the Tea Party, Conservative Party or The Constitution Party. The time is now.

 

[Nemo128]

You got that right. Time for the Tea Party, Conservative Party or The Constitution Party. The time is now.

Ya know, if every person that is eligible to vote were to donate $10 towards an independent candidate, that amount would be by far higher than any two-party election has ever spent in this country's history.

Food for thought.

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Ya know, if every person that is eligible to vote were to donate $10 towards an independent candidate, that amount would be by far higher than any two-party election has ever spent in this country's history.

Food for thought.

Quick! We need a community organizer