need some guidance on what to buy speaker wise

bandphan

bandphan

Banned


Getting back on track:rolleyes: As mentioned by a smart few, demo as many as possible, as speakers are the most subjective purchase. Trust your ears and let that be the end of it. ;) If you think your ears need training, there are plenty o fanyboys here to help with that:eek:
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
Yep. Time to put on your best pair of ears, grab your favourite discs and have some fun. :D
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
Yeah, it's always a trainwreck when real world experiences....you know, reality; intrudes and disrupts fantasy.

hate when that happens
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
My whole point is what ever sounds good to the OP, thats all. Never said anything about fanatsy, and the reality in speakers is subjective.... sorry if you took it personally:) wasnt directed at you
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
....sorry if you took it personally:) wasnt directed at you
Personally? I didn't take what you said ...personally. Not at all.

You know what I take personally?

Getting screwed by Anthem/Paradigm. That's what I take personally.

When a manufactor (Anthem/Paradigm) refuses to honor it's own warranty on an amp less than two weeks old, bought from an Authorized dealer (that Paradigm/Anthem themselves confirmed as a valid Authorized Dealer, prior to purchase) at full price; I take that personally.

And when the dealer washes his hands of it and refuses to replace the amp because Paradigm/Anthem won't permit it. I take that personally.

When Anthem/Paradigm wanted to screw me over to the tune of over $800.00, just to look at and work on an under warranty two week old amp that I just spent over $2,000.00 on. Oh Yeah! I take that personally.

When Canadien Anthem/Paradigm owners get their gear routinely worked on and replaced (for mere peanuts); because Anthem'Paradigm honors THEIR warranty to Canadiens.

You betcha'. I take that personally.

When a pair of speakers with so much hype (the Paradigm Monitor 9v3 ) sounds so cr***y (no matter what amp and gear I tried them with) and is built so shabby. I take that personally.

What you or anyone else says on these forums has to say? No, not taking that personally.
 
UncleCheese

UncleCheese

Enthusiast
I see where the hatred comes from now.
Really sorry that you got screwed like that.
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
I have from people over the years that Paradigm's warranty can be flakey. With speaker repair one needs to take it back to the original dealer for repair, or else you'll end up fighting a long battle to get it paid for by Paradigm. I don't know anybody who has bought Anthem, so I can't give commentary.
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
In the above time frame that the amp failed, I would be all over the dealer and only the dealer. Having been in the industry for many years, not once has a warranty issue for a client ever been refered directly to the manufacture. Anthems relationship with Pardigim has only been since 99. Id like to hear the whole story, and in the steam vent, as to why the dealer washed their hands of it. The comment about Canadians get their gear fixed for peanuts I do not understand; If the unit is under warranty why would they be paying to get the same fixed?
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
The comment about Canadians get their gear fixed for peanuts I do not understand
... and just plain silly. We end up paying more for just about everything than you guys in the US, even from Canadian suppliers.

FWIW, I have always found that you need to keep a very level head when dealing with warranty issues. Whenever I lost my cool, I always lost out. That dosn't mean accepting any crap, just being polite in rejecting it and being persistent.

To the OP. I hope you've gone out and done some auditioning by now. 'Cause if you havn't were gonna have to send someone out to collect your Mancard (tm) once we're done cleaning up the train wreck. :D
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
In the above time frame that the amp failed, I would be all over the dealer and only the dealer. Having been in the industry for many years, not once has a warranty issue for a client ever been refered directly to the manufacture. Anthems relationship with Pardigim has only been since 99. Id like to hear the whole story, and in the steam vent, as to why the dealer washed their hands of it. The comment about Canadians get their gear fixed for peanuts I do not understand; If the unit is under warranty why would they be paying to get the same fixed?
The dealer is who I took the problem to, first. I wanted to drive the amp up to his store and drop it off, so he could handle it. he told me to hold off on making the trip up there and that he would call Anthem/Paradigm.

He contacted Anthem/Paradigm and they told him the same nonsense, that I stated, earlier. I asked the dealer to call them back and get this situation straightened out....get my amp fixed.

Once again Anthem/Paradigm told him the same thing.

So I called Anthem/Paradigm and politely inquired as to how to go about getting my amp serviced or fixed. They told me the same cr*p.

I had a very loud noisey transformer, which not only hummed and buzzed audibley from the exterior of the amp's chassis. From both the left and right sides of the front of the amp. But it was loud through the speakers, too.

Furthermore, the amp kept clipping out horribly and the amp actually shut down completely.

The jackass at Anthem/Paradigm actually had the gall to tell me that the transformer noise was normal and that all amplifier's transformers make noise audible noise like that. Which of course of course is pure BS.

I told him this was in no way "normal" and "common". Even more so in a $2,000 amp.

The guy from Anthem/Paradigm stuck to his story and refused to replace my amp or offer any other option , than, for me to pay out the *** to have it shipped and looked at...by them.

I called the dealer back after trying four times by phone, to reach someone else at Anthem/Paradigm that would help me. Always the same jerks and the same "option".

The dealer told me there was nothing he could do and I would have to continue to take up with Anthem/Paradigm.

That was the last time I bought anything from that dealer and from Paradigm/Anthem. Never again.


There's nothing else to this incident.

I bought from an authorized dealer that I confirmed with Anthem/Paradigm, prior to even entering the dealer's store; that they were in fact......an authorized dealer.

I paid full price for a brand new Anthem MCA-50 (in black finish), which the dealer did NOT have in stock and had order from Anthem/Paradigm. So it took a few weeks for it to arrive at the dealer's store.

I was polite every step of the way and tried to use reason and their warranty as my weapons. They would have none of it. They refused to honor their warranty and I know for a fact that Canadiens get their gear serviced for practically nothing. They take it to their dealers and their dealers take care of it.

When this occured and I talked about on a few forums, I received several PMs from american owners of their gear, stating they also ran into the same BS with Anthem/Paradigml; when they needed service. I also received two PMs from Canadiens who owned their gear and said they'd did not have a problem with getting good customer service from Anthem/Paradigm and them honoring their warranty. But they wished me best of luck in getting the amp worked on.

Over the months that followed, I spoke to and exchanged correspondance with many people over this. People have had some interesting experiences with Anthem/Paradigm honoring their warranty.


There are no excuses for this type of customer treatment and refusal to honor a warranty.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
... and just plain silly. We end up paying more for just about everything than you guys in the US, even from Canadian suppliers.

FWIW, I have always found that you need to keep a very level head when dealing with warranty issues. Whenever I lost my cool, I always lost out. That dosn't mean accepting any crap, just being polite in rejecting it and being persistent.
It's not silly. It is in fact, true.

I was polite, persistent and continued to try to work something out.

You're just making excuses and justifications.

It's simple. Brand new amp. Only purchased two weeks prior. Completely under warranty. And purchased from an authorized Anthem/Paradigm dealer, they themselves (anthem/paradigm) confirmed...as an Authorized dealer.

They refused to do it.

You wouldn't be making excuses and justifications if it happened tp you. No doubt, that would an entirely different story and attitude.
 
UncleCheese

UncleCheese

Enthusiast
I don't think Fredk meant your situation is silly, just that in most cases Canadians will pay more for a product or a service than an American would. However with Paradigm the roles are reversed.

I do understand your anger. If any company did that to me, I wouldn't use them again either. Just out of spite. :mad:
 
bandphan

bandphan

Banned
It's not silly. It is in fact, true.

I was polite, persistent and continued to try to work something out.

You're just making excuses and justifications.

It's simple. Brand new amp. Only purchased two weeks prior. Completely under warranty. And purchased from an authorized Anthem/Paradigm dealer, they themselves (anthem/paradigm) confirmed...as an Authorized dealer.

They refused to do it.

You wouldn't be making excuses and justifications if it happened tp you. No doubt, that would an entirely different story and attitude.
I understand that the dealer special ordered it, but if he was unwilling to service the warranty, id have disputed the charge and agreed to return the amp.
 
TjMV3

TjMV3

Full Audioholic
I understand that the dealer special ordered it, but if he was unwilling to service the warranty, id have disputed the charge and agreed to return the amp.
I paid for it in cash. Had the reciept. Still do.

I don't use credit cards for audio gear. I save the money and pay in cash.
 
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fredk

Audioholic General
I was polite, persistent and continued to try to work something out.

You're just making excuses and justifications.
I'm not justifying anything here as I have no skin in this game, just relaying what has worked for me. How far up the food chain did you go? I have pushed as far as the VP level to get satisfaction.

I understand where you are coming from, paying with cash, but there is a real value to the credit card. I pay my bill every month, so in effect, am paying cash, but if I get yanked around I can always dispute the charge on the card. It gives a quite a bit of leverage on a big purchase.

FWIW I did the same thing as you. I learned to live on the cash I had before getting my first credit card.

Sounds like you really got yanked around on this one.
 
B

blarf

Audioholic Intern
Well, i'm now the owner of a Hsu VTF3-mk3 and Ascend 340 package
 
J

just listening

Audioholic
Well, i'm now the owner of a Hsu VTF3-mk3 and Ascend 340 package
Congrats. Take your time with setting up the 340's, really play around with positioning as they do have a definitive sweet spot. It requires patience, and if you miss it you'll never get the full capabilities of these speakers.
 
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