Judge Rules DVD-Copying Software Is Illegal

dougg

dougg

Junior Audioholic
Rules DVD-Copying Software Is Illegal
By David Kravets August 11, 2009 | 10:08 pm | Categories: Copyrights and Patents, Digital Millennium Copyright Act, The Courts
SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge ruled here late Tuesday that it was unlawful to traffic in goods to copy DVDs.

U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel’s ruling came in a decision in which she declared RealNetworks’ DVD copying software was illegal. She barred it from being distributed.

Patel said the RealDVD software violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 that prohibits the circumvention of encryption technology. DVDs are encrypted with what is known as the Content Scramble System, and DVD players must secure a license to play discs. RealDVD, she ruled, circumvents technology designed to prevent copying.

But the decision, although mixed, left open the door that copying DVD’s for personal use “may well be” lawful under the fair use doctrine of the Copyright Act, although trafficking in such goods was illegal.

“Because RealDVD makes a permanent copy of copyrighted DVD content, there is no exemption from DMCA liability, statutory or otherwise, that applies here. Whatever application the fair use doctrine may have for individual consumers making backup copies of their own DVDs, it does not portend to save Real from liability under the DMCA in this action,” Patel wrote (.pdf) in a lawsuit brought by Hollywood.

However, she stopped short of sanctioning personal use copies, and gave a conflicting message on whether it was legal. “So while it may well be fair use for an individual consumer to store a backup copy of a personally owned DVD on that individual’s computer, a federal law has nonetheless made it illegal to manufacture or traffic in a device or tool that permits a consumer to make such copies,” Patel said. She added, “fair use can never be an affirmative defense to the act of gaining unauthorized access” — a simple way of saying it was illegal to hack into the encryption to make a copy.

“These seem to be contradicting points,” said Fred von Lohmann, a copyright attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group based in San Francisco.

The decision, minus the fair use language, mirrored the 2004 decision by another federal judge declaring as illegal DVD copying software from 321 Studios. The difference was that RealNetworks secured a Content Scramble System license, and claimed a loophole in the license allowed its RealDVD software to make hard-drive or thumb-drive backup copies of movies.

The lawsuit represented Hollywood’s worries that RealDVD and other fledgling DVD-copying services might ruin the market for DVDs if Patel legalized RealNetworks’ product. Even with Tuesday’s decision, the U.S. courts have not squarely ruled on whether it is legal to copy an encrypted DVD for personal use.

The studios were fighting to keep from going the way of the music industry, which years ago lost much control of the unencrypted CD to peer-to-peer file-sharing services. Consumers may place their CDs into their iPods, but the decision leaves unsettled whether the same is true for the DVD.

The motion picture studios, which brought the case, argued to Patel that copying a DVD was illegal, even if was for personal use. RealNetworks claimed consumers could make personal copies of their DVDs.

To be sure, Hollywood lobbied hard for the DMCA, which helped give rise to the encrypted DVD.

“This is a victory for the creators and producers of motion pictures and television shows and for the rule of law in our digital economy,” said Dan Glickman, chief executive of the Motion Picture Association of America.

RealNetworks of Seattle introduced the software last fall, and Judge Patel ordered it off the market after only a few thousand copies were sold. Because of procedural rules in federal court, RealNetworks got another chance to try to convince Patel to allow the software onto the market.

RealNetworks could still pursue a jury trial, a move that likely would not change the result and would not be settled into late next year or 2011 at the earliest.

“We are disappointed that a preliminary injunction has been placed on the sale of RealDVD. We have just received the judge’s detailed ruling and are reviewing it. After we have done so fully, we’ll determine our course of action and will have more to say at that time,” RealNetworks said in a statement.

Patel, the judge in the original Napster case, said her decision was supported by the legislative history of the DMCA, which was aimed at outlawing so-called ‘black boxes’ “that are expressly intended to facilitate circumvention of technological protection measures for purposes of gaining access to a work.”

Still, Hollywood is already reeling from illicit, open-source DVD decryption software that is free on the internet and remains illegal in the United States under Patel’s ruling. But Patel’s ruling might make the studios think twice before suing an individual for making backup copies of their DVDs for personal use.

Hollywood, meanwhile, claims it loses billions in sales because of BitTorrent tracking services like The Pirate Bay and others that allow consumers to locate decrypted movies and other online content for free.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Heard this on the news this morning, but obviously hadn't heard all the details.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
legal or not, it won't really make a difference.
Yup. Isn't like it was technically OK before the ruling, so I doubt it will really change anything or affect the ones who are using it in illegal manners already.
 
basspig

basspig

Full Audioholic
This ruling reminds me a lot of the unofficial ban on handguns in this country. The don't ban the item outright, but they make it impossible to buy the ammo for it. In the case of the DVD copying, the judge admits it's okay under Fair Use, but bans the tools that make it possible to utilize the Fair Use privilages under the law. Same effect. This is how they do their end run around the Constitution. Really nice, eh?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
That's it.

I will never make another copy of Blu-rays or DVDs ever again.:D

In fact, I don't even know how to copy discs.:D
 
krzywica

krzywica

Audioholic Samurai
That's it.

I will never make another copy of Blu-rays or DVDs ever again.:D

In fact, I don't even know how to copy discs.:D
You have to start out with a desk lamp and some tracing paper.......then take a crayon, with the paper over the disk lightly scribble until you have a copy of the whole thing!
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
The judges have really gone out of their way to not really determine if we own our property though, and where that right ends or if it does at all. They have said that Real violated a license for the encryption, if I understand correctly.

Real had this software setup to only allow one digital copy and it couldn't copy to a disc. That sounds reasonable. Now if I want to make a copy to a disc I'll just use VLC or Handbrake or the billion other (free and often open-source) programs that make no attempt to stop me from making a disc-to-disc copy.

The movie and record industry needs to realize the world is leaving that business model behind.
 
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oppman99

Senior Audioholic
This is one battle that has been going on for a long time and I see no end in sight. It's the same thing that's been going on since cassette tapes and VHS. Neither of which killed the industry. I can see both sides. I have no doubt torrent sites hurt sales. On the other hand, if I buy music or a movie, I think I should be able to play it on my home player, car player or a friends ect. without having to buy a separate copy for each player. If only I had a solution, I could be a rich man. lol
 
Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
There will be plenty of opportunity for this ruling to be overturned on appeal.
 
ZeosPantera

ZeosPantera

Junior Audioholic
Oh God NOOOO!

What will they do next.. make downloading music illegal?




Just a question have they even mentioned blu-ray in any of these hearings?
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
I think it's fantastic!

There is no legal product on the market which allows for DVD decryption for backups of movies which you own. So, no company can pay the DVD forum for the software and give them a cut of profits for every single copy which is sold.

Which means, that people turn to other, very available products which do exactly what they don't want you to do and don't cut the studios in for one red cent.

The courts keep ruling with the studios, which, at the end of the day, only ends up hurting the studios. The businesses which are hoping to sell a legit product may be SOL, but the consumers who don't end up with the severe restrictions which would need to be in place to make studios happy get the joy of going to some other product.

As a plus, companies like Slysoft have delivered on products outside the US which can do things which the US would find very illegal, but are untouchable, at this point, by US courts, and give consumers a great product and don't kowtow to any studio in the world.

The downside is the rent-and-rip crowd which abuses the products out there.

The plus-side is that consumers with DVDs can have their backup and their iPod copy readily available.
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
I'll say this as plainly as I can:

IF I wanted to rent, rip and return a DVD or Blu-ray, that would cost me some amount. For me, with zip.ca (basically Canadian Netflix), each disc winds up costing about $2.50 for the rental and then I have to factor in the cost of hard drive space and/or a blank disc.

IF I wanted to download a DVD or Blu-ray via bittorrent, there's still some cost involved. The cost of hard drive space, the cost of bandwidth and mainly, the cost of time in having to track down the title that I want, make sure the file is up to the quality level that I want and then the time to actually download the file and possibly convert it to a different file format.

My point is that if it is actually cheap to just buy the retail copy, I'll likely do so! If there's a movie on DVD that I want and it's in the bargain bin for $3.99? I'll pick it up. Why not? How much money am I really saving via rent/rip/return or bittorrent download? IMO, not enough to make either of those illegal options worth my while. $3.99? I'll just buy the retail disc, thank you.

For most people, I really do not think piracy is about "sticking it to the studios" or some philosophical debate. It's purely about price. And if the retail version is more convenient and costs the same or just a little bit more than the illegal means, people will opt for the legal means almost all of the time - I'm quite sure of that!

Simply put - copying software and bittorrent downloads have given consumers a weapon. WE decide the price now - which is exactly as it should be! Price is supposed to be determined by supply and demand. Studios have been over-valuing their content for decades and they have the always increasing year-over-year profits to prove it!

Simply put - consumers now have a means to fight back and the studios do not like that one little bit! Consumers are basically saying that a movie is worth about $5 to us. Sell them for $5 or less and we'll buy instead of rent, we'll buy instead of download and we'll buy instead of copy. So THAT's the fair market value and the studios are just going to have to learn to live with it! Maybe only buy two hundred-foot yachts this year ;)
 
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jamie2112

Banned
You know I am in the record industry and am sooooooo glad to see the major lables getting there butts handed to them.The same thing can be said of the movie industry.If you want to copy a dvd from blockbuster whom may I ask is going to come looking for you? Lemme see uuuummmm you guessed it..NOBODY.This is all a bunch of crap and I WILL continue burning discs for my personal use.I dont give or sell any movies I record.Hell, what about the DVR on most peoples tv's.Are we really allowed to copy Oprah without express written consent from the windbags people? I think not.How many housewifes tape Oprah? I don't even want to think about it.This crap from the entertainment industry sucks and they can all go pound salt.Have a nice day, Jamie
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
I want to be clear:

it costs money to make movies and TV shows - I don't think anyone can dispute that!

The people making movies, TV shows, music and games ought to get paid. I'm no supporter of the idea of everything being free - that doesn't make any sense to me.

But the price we pay should be FAIR - that's all.

We like movies, TV shows, music and games. We want access to them. We're willing to pay a reasonable price.

With bittorrents and copying software - I don't want to see those become the standard. I don't want piracy to genuinely destroy the entertainment industries! I just want the studios to stop being so damn greedy!

Movie stars do not need or deserve $20 million per movie. Executives at the studios do not need or deserve hundreds of millions of dollars in annual salaries and "off the books" bonuses. The studios are corrupt - they always have been. It's the reason the stars started demanding these ridiculous pay checks since the studio fat cats were getting mega-rich off of the stars' work and popularity.

Simply put, bittorrent and copying software just gives power back to the consumers. Charge a reasonable price and stop paying these insanely high pay checks! Bring a little humility back into the picture. Fail to do this and we can simply bring your whole damn industry to the ground!

We don't HAVE to pay anymore. We're willing to. But not when the studios and stars rub it in our faces how ridiculously rich they are and not when they go whining about how much money they're losing while simultaneously flaunting how they made more money than every previous year.

Get it in line, bring the pay checks back down to reality, show a little humility and let's get on with it!
 
MidnightSensi

MidnightSensi

Audioholic Samurai
I want to be clear:

it costs money to make movies and TV shows - I don't think anyone can dispute that!

The people making movies, TV shows, music and games ought to get paid. I'm no supporter of the idea of everything being free - that doesn't make any sense to me.

But the price we pay should be FAIR - that's all.

We like movies, TV shows, music and games. We want access to them. We're willing to pay a reasonable price.

With bittorrents and copying software - I don't want to see those become the standard. I don't want piracy to genuinely destroy the entertainment industries! I just want the studios to stop being so damn greedy!

Movie stars do not need or deserve $20 million per movie. Executives at the studios do not need or deserve hundreds of millions of dollars in annual salaries and "off the books" bonuses. The studios are corrupt - they always have been. It's the reason the stars started demanding these ridiculous pay checks since the studio fat cats were getting mega-rich off of the stars' work and popularity.

Simply put, bittorrent and copying software just gives power back to the consumers. Charge a reasonable price and stop paying these insanely high pay checks! Bring a little humility back into the picture. Fail to do this and we can simply bring your whole damn industry to the ground!

We don't HAVE to pay anymore. We're willing to. But not when the studios and stars rub it in our faces how ridiculously rich they are and not when they go whining about how much money they're losing while simultaneously flaunting how they made more money than every previous year.

Get it in line, bring the pay checks back down to reality, show a little humility and let's get on with it!
Really music as a whole has already benefited greatly from file sharing, people posting music on youtube, torrents and so forth. Smaller bands are getting notice, gaining fans, people are going to see them.

There is still a huge market for the Flo-Rida's and Lady Gaga's and so forth, but, the underground music is now so accessable that people interested can be exposed to a wide range of music that they otherwise wouldn't be.

I think this will eventually happen with film. It doesn't take a huge studio to make a great film. And there is a whole new generation of talented directors, CG artists and so forth that are going to be making an unbelievable impact in upcoming years.

Take a look at Big Buck Bunny, a project for the open-source program Blender. This short movie is free and made with all free software:

http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/


These studios are so /f**ked/ they don't even know it yet.
 
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ZeosPantera

ZeosPantera

Junior Audioholic
Take a look at Big Buck Bunny, a project for the open-source program Blender. This short movie is free and made with all free software:

http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/

These studios are so /f**ked/ they don't even know it yet.
I will see your bunny and raise you an HD Birdy Nam Nam!

http://www.vimeo.com/5003279

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Is your trip finished? good

My main argument comes down to these industries going on the attack assuming every copy and download of a movie or album equates to a lost sale..

"We are losing billions of dollars" -some industry A-Hole

I must say most of the "things" I acquire I would have never bought in the first place. Either the price was outrageous or I didn't want or know I wanted it in the first place. If musicians want to make money, Put on a concert and work for it. Movies make completely enough money at the theaters in my opinion.

I threw 14 dollars to see "the happening" and I WANT THAT MONEY BACK YOU BASTARDS! One the other end of the spectrum however, Watchmen I saw twice in the theater and I bought the blu-ray for ~$24 AND I DOWNLOADED IT in 720P. So I own that movie and want to hear no-one say I can't "own a movie". $48 should be enough charity to say I can do anything I want with it.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You have to start out with a desk lamp and some tracing paper.......then take a crayon, with the paper over the disk lightly scribble until you have a copy of the whole thing!
Well, then I think my 6 yr old daughter will do a better job than I.:D
 
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