It's my BDay and the wife has authorized a $350 budget for a new reciever! which one

[Lordoftherings]

Not sure where you heard that. But I haven't bought any Pioneer receivers. Sounds like you have been working out to hard for your big trip. I bought a Marantz DVD player but thats been my only purchase.

Ok, It might be my bad here. Sorry about that, I might have confused you with another poster. I'll do a search, and come back to you with what I found.

Meanwhile, be happy, accept my sorryness, and get the Marantz SR6001.
Sounds fair & cool enough to you?

* By the way, anamorphic96, you have been in my "Best Buddy's" list for quite some time now.

Regards,
Bob

P.S. I keep searching, nothing just yet. But I do remember that it was from someone who bought both the Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH, and the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K.
I will find it. I always do.

 

[anamorphic96]

Ok, It might be my bad here. Sorry about that, I might have confused you with another poster. I'll do a search, and come back to you with what I found.

Meanwhile, be happy, accept my sorryness, and get the Marantz SR6001.
Sounds fair & cool enough to you?

* By the way, anamorphic96, you have been in my "Best Buddy's" list for quite some time now.

Regards,
Bob

P.S. I keep searching, nothing just yet. But I do remember that it was from someone who bought both the Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH, and the Pioneer VSX-1019AH-K.
I will find it. I always do.

Well I think I might have found something about 8 pages in at Amazon. I can get a new Denon AVR 988 for 599.00 to my door. It's basically the Denon 2809 without a few features. Things I will never use. The big selling point for me is the Audyssey MultEQ XT. Plus the extras like pre-outs and better than average video processing. Gonna sleep on it tonight but I don't think I can find anything better with these features. The only downside is Denon can be tricky to set up.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Hey anamorphic96,

I just finished my search.
I now officially apologise to you from my mistaken identity about you.

Here's the other guy I confused you with:

* http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=590925&postcount=1

* http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=595513&postcount=4

--> He did end up buying the Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH for the main room, and the Denon AVR-789 for the bedroom.

~ I guess it was his avatar, that got me confused. I hope that you do understand now.

As to your own personal wondering on which receiver could be best, for your own personal situation, would be the Onkyo TX-SR705, if you can find it.
It sells usually for about $400, and has Audyssey MultEQ, and also THX Select2. But even better, the TX-SR805, if you can find it again, and which can be had from about $400 to $600, and has Audyssey MultEQ XT and is THX Ultra2 certified.
I will check for these personally for you, if you are interested.

On the Denon side, the AVR-988 is the exact equivalent of the AVR-2808CI, and not the 2809. Still, it is an excellent receiver with Audyssey MultEQ XT, just like you said, and it has two (2) HDMI inputs (version 1.3). The video processor ain't great, but it's mostly a useless feature nowadays anyway.
It was originally retailing for $1,199

If I was you, I'll save a good bunch, and go with the Marantz SR6001.
Or search for the Onkyo TX-SR805, or even the SR-705.
But that's just me then.

Cheers,
Bob

 

[anamorphic96]

Hey anamorphic96,

I just finished my search.
I now officially apologise to you from my mistaken identity about you.

Here's the other guy I confused you with:

* http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=590925&postcount=1

* http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=595513&postcount=4

--> He did end up buying the Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH for the main room, and the Denon AVR-789 for the bedroom.

~ I guess it was his avatar, that got me confused. I hope that you do understand now.

As to your own personal wondering on which receiver could be best, for your own personal situation, would be the Onkyo TX-SR705, if you can find it.
It sells usually for about $400, and has Audyssey MultEQ, and also THX Select2. But even better, the TX-SR805, if you can find it again, and which can be had from about $400 to $600, and has Audyssey MultEQ XT and is THX Ultra2 certified.
I will check for these personally for you, if you are interested.

On the Denon side, the AVR-988 is the exact equivalent of the AVR-2808CI, and not the 2809. Still, it is an excellent receiver with Audyssey MultEQ XT, just like you said, and it has two (2) HDMI inputs (version 1.3). The video processor ain't great, but it's mostly a useless feature nowadays anyway.
It was originally retailing for $1,199

If I was you, I'll save a good bunch, and go with the Marantz SR6001.
Or search for the Onkyo TX-SR805, or even the SR-705.
But that's just me then.

Cheers,
Bob

No worries Bob. No need to apologize.

You are correct in that it is the 2808CI. While I agree with you about the Onkyo's. I really want to go with something from an authorized dealer and new. The Marantz is still on my list as well as the 706. However the MultEQ XT could be the deciding factor. Do you not think the XT vesion is that much better. I have heard the XT is pretty big step up from MultEQ. Especially for subwoofers.

Thanks.

 

[Lordoftherings]

No worries Bob. No need to apologize.

You are correct in that it is the 2808CI. While I agree with you about the Onkyo's. I really want to go with something from an authorized dealer and new. The Marantz is still on my list as well as the 706. However the MultEQ XT could be the deciding factor. Do you not think the XT vesion is that much better. I have heard the XT is pretty big step up from MultEQ. Especially for subwoofers.

Thanks.

Thank you for your understanding.

I do understand too, that some people just cannot purchase any used or reconditioned products at all. I do respect that. I used to be in that similar position than yours, but not anymore now; I'm very free about reconditioned or used products, but I do always cover my back now too.

Then from what you're saying, you seem to know very well what you're doing.
I feel very stupid to give advice to an experienced fellow like yourself.
YES, you are right, you knew it already from way back then; Audyssey MultEQ XT is truly the superior version over the MultEQ one. And especially for the subwoofer, likev you just mentioned too. I don't really need to bring some links about that, it's all there, clearly indicated in the Audyssey own web site.

That's why I put a small emphasis on the Onkyo 805 and Denon 888 or 2808CI. The Onkyo 705 and Marantz 6001 were also mentioned for their great features too, their MultEQ also, but in particular for their prices. That's all.
Keep your options wide open on all fronts.

Conclusion of this lovely story, for your own personal benefit (and mine too ), get Audyssey MultEQ XT. And don't try to go below Denon AVR-988/AVR-2808CI or Denon AVR-989/AVR-2809CI.
And even if the Marantz SR6003 only have Audyssey MultEQ, I just like to mentioned it, so it adds a little more spicy taste to the mix of all these Denons.
And besides, it is also an excellent performing receiver (brand new of course).
And it also has three (3) HDMI inputs, and two (2) HDMI OUTPUTS.
Plus, it's a MARANTZ. With the MARANTZ sound.

I'm outta here now.

Bob

P.S. Flip a coin, perhaps.

 

[Soundman]

No worries Bob. No need to apologize.

You are correct in that it is the 2808CI. While I agree with you about the Onkyo's. I really want to go with something from an authorized dealer and new. The Marantz is still on my list as well as the 706. However the MultEQ XT could be the deciding factor. Do you not think the XT vesion is that much better. I have heard the XT is pretty big step up from MultEQ. Especially for subwoofers.

Thanks.

Hey Guys, let me know why you think the XT version is that much better. Personally, I've always believed that treating the room accordingly was the best way to get the best sound. I've always thought room corrections were kinda hit and miss. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong here, but that's been my experience. I must admit that I haven't tried the newer versions so I could be dead wrong here.

 

[anamorphic96]

Hey Guys, let me know why you think the XT version is that much better. Personally, I've always believed that treating the room accordingly was the best way to get the best sound. I've always thought room corrections were kinda hit and miss. Please correct me if you think I'm wrong here, but that's been my experience. I must admit that I haven't tried the newer versions so I could be dead wrong here.

I agree with you in that treating the room is one of the best ways to deal with acoustic issues. However room correction systems in conjunction with treating the room in my view is the best way to deal with room problems. Audyssey systems also deal with time and phase issues which help with creating more cohesive surround effect. The XT system is the best system they offer in a consumer receiver. It offers more processing and filters in the upper ranges to to deal with issues.

www.audyssey.com for more info. The Audyssey system in my mind offers the most accurate and comprehensive room set up and correction system in consumer AVR's. Pioneers MCACC system is pretty impressive as well. There are a few other systems out there but they don't seem to be as widely used as accurate. I would consider the HK and Yamaha solution to be the worst of the bunch and seem to have the least amount of flexibility in setting up the system.

 

[lsiberian]

I'd just try to pick up an Onkyo 606 if you can find one. If not look at the HK 254 off ebay(HK's direct store)

 

[Soundman]

I agree with you in that treating the room is one of the best ways to deal with acoustic issues. However room correction systems in conjunction with treating the room in my view is the best way to deal with room problems. Audyssey systems also deal with time and phase issues which help with creating more cohesive surround effect. The XT system is the best system they offer in a consumer receiver. It offers more processing and filters in the upper ranges to to deal with issues.

www.audyssey.com for more info. The Audyssey system in my mind offers the most accurate and comprehensive room set up and correction system in consumer AVR's. Pioneers MCACC system is pretty impressive as well. There are a few other systems out there but they don't seem to be as widely used as accurate. I would consider the HK and Yamaha solution to be the worst of the bunch and seem to have the least amount of flexibility in setting up the system.

Good points here. Thanks.

 

[Lordoftherings]

If I may add something here: What good is it to have a more fancy Room EQ system, if the sound of the receiver is below average, and your room sounds so so, without acoustic room treatments?

I will not put too much an emphasis on that. It's more for the real hardcore people with expensive systems, that also have their rooms acoustically treated, and with high resolution speakers.

Bob

Note: The XT version just adds more filtering in the bass region, with twice the resolution of the MultEQ version.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I'd just try to pick up an Onkyo 606 if you can find one. If not look at the HK 254 off ebay(HK's direct store)

Yes, but tiger, the 606 is 2EQ only. And the HK, well, it's just an HK.

 

[lsiberian]

Yes, but tiger, the 606 is 2EQ only. And the HK, well, it's just an HK.

Which is far easier to use than the XT. Plus an audible difference between the two systems is unlikely IMO.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Which is far easier to use than the XT. Plus an audible difference between the two systems is unlikely IMO.

Well, you got a good point there tiger.
It's true, that version of Audyssey is only from a maximum of three positions, which is much quicker than six, or eight.
And I also agree with your second point, not much audible difference overall.
Anyway, not enough to make a dent in that nice fur of yours.

I don't know lsiberian, but that new avatar seems to work wonders.

Bobby

 

[Seth=L]

According to the Denon product page, the 1709 lacks HDMI repeater functionality. As you know, this precludes the 1709 from processing audio over HDMI. Check out the link, it's about 2/3rds the way down the page.

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4240.asp

I don't know if it's another great communication job from Denon or not, but their website says it only works as a switcher.

I apologize. On Denon's Spec page it states it has HDMI 1.1 support for audio. The Manual clearly states it's 1.3 switching only and doesn't support audio over HDMI. Denon probably can't keep it straight on which ones support HD audio, so why should the consumer have the luxury of knowing just by reading a few simple lines.

 

[n1lss]

Which is far easier to use than the XT. Plus an audible difference between the two systems is unlikely IMO.

Yeah, I doubt you'd be able to really hear any difference, unless you were really trying.

 

[Lordoftherings]

Yeah, I doubt you'd be able to really hear any difference, unless you were really trying.

Some people that really try, can, and some that don't really try, cannot.

* What's what? Beats me man!