Michael Vick - Yea or Nay?

chris357

chris357

Senior Audioholic
wasnt he gambling on the fights? so isnt that a no no as well? havent other atheletes been kicked out from gambling on unrelated sports?


and yes i agree with all the above comments on him not getting back in.. and I hope no teams sign him as well.. it woudl be ok if he had to play in like china or something for a fraction of what he used to get paid.
 
Wafflesomd

Wafflesomd

Senior Audioholic
Maybe if it were something other than what he did, sure.

No tolerance at all for animal abuse in any way shape or form.
 
S

Schupo

Banned
NAY! If I were to be convicted of anything like he was I'd never be able to teach, anywhere. My credentials would be permanently revoked.

It's sad that professional athletes, who are looked up to more than parents and teachers, are held to a lesser behavioral standard than parents and teachers...

-pat
No, it's sad that someone who was once convicted of a crime is looked at as incapable of every being a full person ever again. What he did was reprehensible, but anyone who's ever gone hunting is only a few steps behind him. He paid his debt to society. Let him get back to his life.
 
CraigV

CraigV

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No, it's sad that someone who was once convicted of a crime is looked at as incapable of every being a full person ever again. What he did was reprehensible, but anyone who's ever gone hunting is only a few steps behind him. He paid his debt to society. Let him get back to his life.
Killing an animal just to prove that you can is wrong. Taking game and consuming it is OK. Taking an animal that should be a pet, training it to kill and betting on the results…there’s a good reason why such actions are illegal.
 
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mazersteven

mazersteven

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but anyone who's ever gone hunting is only a few steps behind him.
I am not a hunter. And I don't look at hunting as a sport.

Your statement is about as bogus as them come. You can't compare dog fighting to hunting.

Dogfighting is a sadistic "contest" in which two dogs—specifically bred, conditioned, and trained to fight—are placed in a pit (generally a small arena enclosed by plywood walls) to fight each other for the spectators' entertainment and gambling. Fights average nearly an hour in length and often last more than two hours. Dogfights end when one of the dogs will not or cannot continue.

Dogs used in these events often die of blood loss, shock, dehydration, exhaustion, or infection hours or even days after the fight. Other animals are often sacrificed as well. Some owners train their dogs for fights using smaller animals such as cats, rabbits or small dogs. These "bait" animals are often stolen pets or animals obtained through "free to good home" advertisements.
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

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:confused:Um, I don’ think there was any “eating” of the dogs:confused:
I'm pretty sure cows don't fight each other while the owners take bets before we eat them.

SheepStar
Maybe if it were something other than what he did, sure.

No tolerance at all for animal abuse in any way shape or form.
Uh huh... http://www.exploreveg.org/issues/slaughterhouse/

And I'll reiterate, I eat meat, so I won't be a hypocrite and say that he commited cruelty against animals, because so do we. We just justify it because it's for our stomachs rather than our wallets, and because just like a war we aren't the ones directly responsible for the action.

It's easy to criticize when you sit back and simply reap the rewards of the action without being the one doing the dirty work. Either all life is sacred, or no life is. End the hypocrisy.

Taking an animal that should be a pet, training it to kill and betting on the results…there’s a good reason why such actions are illegal.
Subjectivity, the very best tenet of law. *sigh*

I'll end my input there.
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
End the hypocrisy.
I don't support cruelty to animals, be it for food consumption or sport. I suggest that you read Steven's post above yours, for it might help differentiate between consuming other flesh as a means of survival and the intentional cruelty inflicted upon another being for the sole purpose of pleasure.

If you eat anything that was once alive, you are supporting the death of other beings. If you wash your hands with antibacterial soap, you are killing many other life forms. Perhaps you'd like to relate washing ones hands to dog fighting.

On the flip side, perhaps you've found a new defense tactic for serial rapists. "Hey, who here hasn't eaten a burger? Don't you judge me."
 
Nemo128

Nemo128

Audioholic Field Marshall
I don't support cruelty to animals, be it for food consumption or sport. I suggest that you read Steven's post above yours, for it might help differentiate between consuming other flesh as a means of survival and the intentional cruelty inflicted upon another being for the sole purpose of pleasure.

If you eat anything that was once alive, you are supporting the death of other beings. If you wash your hands with antibacterial soap, you are killing many other life forms. Perhaps you'd like to relate washing ones hands to dog fighting.

On the flip side, perhaps you've found a new defense tactic for serial rapists. "Hey, who here hasn't eaten a burger? Don't you judge me."
The bit about survival I don't buy at all. Plenty of people have lived without consuming meat. Let's admit it to ourselves, we do it because we like it, not because we have to. It's not survival, it's comfort. None of us are out in the wilderness hunting to sustain our lives. We're on the internet, and the last time I checked the wilderness doesn't have Wifi access.

I would relate them and I do. But I have the same answer that I do about the Michael Vick thing. We're doing it, even if it's not intentional. The law defines his punishment as served. If we want to live in a land of laws, then he served his time and he should continue to live his life.

When a large corporation dumps toxic materials into a water source and kills tons of eco-life, they're fined, sued, driven out of business. Occassionally someone is jailed, but more often than not it's a monetary penalty. The value of life to the law, when it's not a warm cuddly body they lay with and play with, has a pricetag apparently.

Good one about the rapist. :D I see your point, but it would have been more directly correlated had you said his defense would be "Hey, haven't you ever screwed someone that didn't want it?"

Me personally, I think the punishment wasn't NEARLY severe enough, BUT I also believe the punishments for many crimes aren't severe enough. The law unfortunately says you served your time, so who am I to confine you to a prison in your own life after serving your time.

I agree with most of you about the crime, but the choice of whether or not he should be allowed back , in my humble opinion, really boils down to his ability to perform his job. Obviously I wouldn't hire a convicted pedophile to work at Chuck E Cheese. I definitely wouldn't hire a convicted robbery perp to work at a bank. I'd send every murderer on death row overseas with a rifle and some bullets to do what they do best, but I wouldn't let them back on our streets.

Now if he were a truly good person, he'd become a champion for animal rights and a very public face against organized animal fighting circles. That'd show that not only did he learn the error of his ways, he feels it's important to show everyone else the wrongness of it. I'm not saying he will, but wouldn't it be great if he does?
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Nemo, I see your points about hypocrisy - I just don't agree with them. :) Well, not entirely.

Plenty of people have lived without consuming meat.
True, but they are still taking life. Your argument appears to be that protection of life is hypocritical because we all, by the very act of living, take it.

None of us are out in the wilderness hunting to sustain our lives.
That's only because our society has discretized tasks and most humans in industrial societies no longer need to devote large percentages of their time tending to the necessities of life (collection of food, construction of shelter, making of clothing, and such). However, we still rely upon the consumption of flesh (animal or plant) to sustain our energy needs.

We're on the internet, and the last time I checked the wilderness doesn't have Wifi access.
Hence my aversion to the wilderness. :D

Good one about the rapist. :D I see your point, but it would have been more directly correlated had you said his defense would be "Hey, haven't you ever screwed someone that didn't want it?"
Thanks. :D I think my correlation was good, as your statement that either all life is sacred or no life is would mean that the rape victims (life, pain, emotions, whatever) shouldn't be considered sacred because the jurors ate meat.
 
Nomo

Nomo

Audioholic Samurai
Ironically Craig, it would seem the most likely destination for Vick would be the Vikings. Now that Brent (yeah I know) Favre has decided to stay retired for another week or so, it's left Minnesota without a quality QB.

Rest assured Vick will be greeted with the same warmth and appreciation as Farve would have got walking onto Lambeau field.
 
CraigV

CraigV

Audioholic General
Ironically Craig, it would seem the most likely destination for Vick would be the Vikings. Now that Brent (yeah I know) Favre has decided to stay retired for another week or so, it's left Minnesota without a quality QB.

Rest assured Vick will be greeted with the same warmth and appreciation as Farve would have got walking onto Lambeau field.
I will be the lead protester trying with all of my power to convince people to boycott going to the games or supporting the team (and I won’t be alone)

I highly doubt it.
 
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Michale Vick? Don't care, he's a turd.

Brett Favre? Don't care, he's a turd

Plexiglass Burres? Don't care, he's a turd.
 
MinusTheBear

MinusTheBear

Audioholic Ninja
Michale Vick? Don't care, he's a turd.

Brett Favre? Don't care, he's a turd

Plexiglass Burres? Don't care, he's a turd.
Plexiglass....lol :D

The only one I would risk taking is Plaxico, he is still one of the top 3 wr in the league. Vick is a great talent but not an elite quarterback (never had good timing as a qb and being out of the game for this long doesn't help). The only positive about Vick is you can get him fairly cheap but at the cost of bad public relations. Favre probably would not last an entire season (very high risk sign because of the salary he would demand).
 
tattoo_Dan

tattoo_Dan

Banned
MV has been re-instated into the NFL. What are your thoughts/feelings?

1. He’s a criminal & a scum-bag and a bad representative for any sports team

2. He did wrong, paid his dues and deserves a second chance

My vote is for 1 – what he did is reprehensible and he should not be allowed to have anything to do with professional anything.

P.S. Could we make this a poll? :D
IMO a job in the NFL is a gift,it's like winning the lottery,and NO he should be banned for life,they are way too lenient in sports,the regular business world is not that forgiving and neither should pro sports.a job in pro sports is a privilege and he should lose that. there are plenty of honest guys that can do those jobs.

thats my .02
 
S

Schupo

Banned
I am not a hunter. And I don't look at hunting as a sport.

Your statement is about as bogus as them come. You can't compare dog fighting to hunting.

Dogfighting is a sadistic "contest" in which two dogs—specifically bred, conditioned, and trained to fight—are placed in a pit (generally a small arena enclosed by plywood walls) to fight each other for the spectators' entertainment and gambling. Fights average nearly an hour in length and often last more than two hours. Dogfights end when one of the dogs will not or cannot continue.

Dogs used in these events often die of blood loss, shock, dehydration, exhaustion, or infection hours or even days after the fight. Other animals are often sacrificed as well. Some owners train their dogs for fights using smaller animals such as cats, rabbits or small dogs. These "bait" animals are often stolen pets or animals obtained through "free to good home" advertisements.
I should have specified "hunting for sport". Notice that I said "a few steps behind". Torturing animals for sport (Michael Vick) isn't tremendously far away from killing animals for sport (hunting). Those who hunt with the intention of using the animal for something other than a trophy don't fall into this catagory; I understand that there are those out there who hunt for food.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I should have specified "hunting for sport". Notice that I said "a few steps behind". Torturing animals for sport (Michael Vick) isn't tremendously far away from killing animals for sport (hunting). Those who hunt with the intention of using the animal for something other than a trophy don't fall into this catagory; I understand that there are those out there who hunt for food.
I think you are missing the point Schupo.

Torture is inhumane and considered worse than simple murder.

would you rather be shot or tortured. i'd choose to be shot.

But I guess to each is own.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I should have specified "hunting for sport". Notice that I said "a few steps behind". Torturing animals for sport (Michael Vick) isn't tremendously far away from killing animals for sport (hunting). Those who hunt with the intention of using the animal for something other than a trophy don't fall into this catagory; I understand that there are those out there who hunt for food.
While at first blush, hunting may seem cruel to animals. Here are a few reasons that explain why it's exactly the opposite.

Hunting gives the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service a valuable tool to control populations of some species that might otherwise exceed the carrying capacity of their habitat and threaten the well-being of other wildlife species, and in some instances, that of human health and safety.

Put simply, animals don't self regulate their populations, so when food is plentiful their numbers explode. With the occurrence of a drought or a very hard winter
food becomes scarce and the animals die a slow death through starvation. Hunting helps regulate the herd.

The high taxes from hunting & shooting activities go to the states or to the federal government for such purposes as enhancing wildlife habitat, managing and maintaining parks and wildlife refuges, and conducting surveys and research to determine the status of not only game but also some non-game species. So, hunters contribute in a big way to benefiting natural environments.:)
 

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